Hangover Classic - No Doubt vs Air

[00:00:00] Speaker A: All right. So what are you drinking tonight? [00:00:04] Speaker B: I've got a devil's backbone. My man. Cheers. [00:00:08] Speaker A: Cheers. [00:00:09] Speaker B: Clink, clink. What do you got? Are you drinking water? [00:00:25] Speaker A: No. So on this day, January 31, 2023, Central Texas is experiencing a very intense winter storm. [00:00:38] Speaker B: And so we got frozen over. [00:00:41] Speaker A: Yes. [00:00:42] Speaker B: Jake and I are huddled together in blankets, and we're gonna have to make love tonight just to stay warm and make it say the night. [00:00:50] Speaker A: It's gonna be a real Tristan and these old, you know, vibe going on. Did Jim tr. [00:00:57] Speaker B: I didn't catch the. What is it? [00:00:59] Speaker A: I. I think five pe. Five people in the audience right now are, like, cheering at this reference. [00:01:05] Speaker B: Is it Isolde or Isold? [00:01:07] Speaker A: Isold probably is. Old day. [00:01:10] Speaker B: I'm correcting you. I don't even know what it is. I've seen the. The. The title. What is it? [00:01:16] Speaker A: It's Tristan and Isolde. [00:01:18] Speaker B: Mm. [00:01:19] Speaker A: It's a James Franco classic. The tagline was, before Romeo and Juliet. There was Tristan, and he's all day. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Where's Franco been? What happened? Oh, okay, never mind. Anyway. Oh, do they. Do they huddle together for warmth? [00:01:39] Speaker A: They do like. He. Like, if I'm not. I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but if I'm not mistaken, he, like, Isolde finds him in a river, and he's like, like, freezing. So she. She gets her, like, her, like, maiden. She's like, take off your clothes, and I'll take off mine. And they take off James Franco's, and they, like, sandwich him to keep him warm. [00:02:02] Speaker B: Sure. [00:02:03] Speaker A: That. That. That, like, that scene is, like, stuck. The rest of the movie don't remember much, but, like, for some reason, that scene, like, I was. [00:02:10] Speaker B: For some reason. [00:02:13] Speaker A: Survival reasons, you know. [00:02:15] Speaker B: Adapted for the screen and directed by James Franco. So for this. For this scene. [00:02:23] Speaker A: That was. That was an interesting time in cinema when there was, like, a lot of. Well, I say a lot, but I only have, really, one example, like, a knight's tale, like, when they, like, there was a lot of, like, medieval. Medieval cinematic storytelling going on and a. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Lot of Shakespearean things. Like, 10 things I had about you. [00:02:42] Speaker A: That's right. Oh, man. No, we have. [00:02:46] Speaker B: Welcome back to Sipping Mimos. [00:02:50] Speaker A: Hey. And I'm Jake, and you're listening to the Internet's premiere audio podcast, wherein Elliot and I dissect two albums. I've done this. This is, like, my thing. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah, you're the guy that does the intro so well. I mean, usually I should say, hey. [00:03:11] Speaker A: I'm, like, falling apart because I'm Thinking about Tristan and Isolde, wherein Elliot and I talk about 90s albums of the rock and electronica genres, oftentimes sometimes rarely over mimosas. But tonight we're having. Sounds like we're having a beer, and I'm drinking gin and pineapple juice. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Oh, gin and juice tonight, Jake. [00:03:39] Speaker A: I'm. I'm getting fancy with it. [00:03:41] Speaker B: I like that. Okay, I got this Devil's Backbone, and it's. It's. It's hitting me. Well, I'm feeling good. Feeling good. Feeling great. Feeling. Feeling sexy, Feeling cool. Feeling a little. A little horn sectiony, if you know what I'm saying. [00:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm feeling like a sexy boy. I don't know about you. [00:04:01] Speaker B: Hey, but if it gets any colder, it's not going to be Tristan and his old day. It's going to be, like, alive. I'm gonna. I'm gonna look at Jake an hour and a half from now. I'd be like, I need pizza rolls and Jake. Jake looks like a substitute. I'll make bagel bites out of Jake's beard and stuff. [00:04:19] Speaker A: So Elliot. [00:04:22] Speaker B: Ruined that. [00:04:23] Speaker A: We had. [00:04:23] Speaker B: We had such momentum there. And then I said I was gonna eat your. You and then. And that will cross the line. We've talked about way weirder things on this show. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Well, we got to, like, the transition, like, 30 seconds in. It usually takes us 30 minutes. [00:04:39] Speaker B: That was just. Just a. Just a little tease, baby. [00:04:41] Speaker A: It's a little tease because nice tale stars Heath Ledger. Oh, okay. So, Elliot, besides that Devil's Backbone, have you seen, heard, done anything cool lately? [00:04:59] Speaker B: Done anything cool? I'm like, oh, well, yeah, I taught my baby how to wink. But, well, like, it's more like I'll wink at her. And she kind of like, blinks, like, all slow. Like, that's pretty sweet. Anyways, enough about her. She gets so much attention. I'm sick of it. No, I'm joking. Correct me if we've talked about it before, but have you been watching White Lotus? [00:05:23] Speaker A: Dude, I think we may have briefly touched on it last episode or before. But did you finish it? [00:05:29] Speaker B: Oh, I tore through both seasons, and it is tremendous, dude. [00:05:35] Speaker A: So what were your thoughts on the end of season two? [00:05:41] Speaker B: I felt gross. I think that's how I was supposed to feel. I was like, oh, man. Like, boy, even rich people have problems too, huh? Nice little lesson. But, like, my whole takeaway from the show is like, wow, that Mike White figured it out. Like, all this. The show is like, all set in these, like, six star luxury hotel and resort spots that Means all the production is set there. So, like, they just rent a crazy expensive hotel, film it there, set, stay there and eat there and all that. Like, so production must be happy as. And I can't imagine that's not affecting the outcome of the show, like, because everyone's happy as hell, like, you know, their afternoons off or on the beach or. Or wherever. I've heard season three is going to be in Japan. [00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:32] Speaker B: Yeah. That sounds amazing. Well, that's. [00:06:35] Speaker A: That's kind of like that theory behind, like. Like, Adam Sandler's, like, later movies where he just, like, films in Hawaii because he just wants to hang out with his friends. [00:06:43] Speaker B: That's exactly right. Yeah. This one's set in Hawaii. Oh, really? Why? Because, like, you're not going to go to Indianapolis in February? Like. Nope. Okay. I want to see that Adam Sandler movie. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Yeah, we. We really like that. The season two. Like, the season two. The ending, I think, like, I think we were kind of, like, left wanting a little more, but I think that was maybe Mike White's intention, you know, like, in that first season, there were really no, like, unanswered questions. You know, the second one, there were still, like, a. There were still some things that were left out of the narrative. But it's. It's kind of cool to kind of, like, come to your own conclusions and really get there on your own. But. Yeah, I. We thought it was. We thought it was great. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Everyone is. [00:07:37] Speaker A: Everyone in it is crazy good. Like. [00:07:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really. It's. It's absolutely worth watching. Yeah. Have you been watching the Last of Us, bro? [00:07:47] Speaker A: Oh, man. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. So are you. Are you caught up? [00:07:52] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:53] Speaker A: Okay. So. Was one of the most gorgeous hours of television I've ever seen. So I can't think of his name but Nick Offerman's. [00:08:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you recognize him? [00:08:08] Speaker B: He's the man from season one of White Lotus. [00:08:11] Speaker A: My man. [00:08:13] Speaker B: I recognized him immediately. He was my favorite guy in White Lotus season one. And, like, I was like, so then watching, and he shows up in episode three of the Last of Us, which is now, like, there's a lot of buzz. Currently at time of recording. This is like the best episode of television ever. Yeah. And it's. It's. It's probably up there. And this dude. You're looking up his name right now. I know you are. [00:08:38] Speaker A: The actor's name is Murray Bartlett. [00:08:40] Speaker B: Is he a New Zealander or Australian guy or is he American? [00:08:45] Speaker A: Let's take a look. He is from Sydney, Australia. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Boom. Okay. Okay. I knew it because his. His Australian accent in White Lotus is. Is amazing. And like. [00:08:57] Speaker A: And then he hit it so well in. In Last of Us. [00:09:01] Speaker B: In the Last of Us, he's, you know, an American. And like, yeah, it's there, but he has. He has a certain specific cadence. I am Dr. Strange. I live in Manhattan. You know, like a little like, wait, what? Like, I have to go to this dinner party. It's only a few kilometers. I mean, miles from here. Like, all right, dude, Greenwich Village, my ass. But yeah, he's so good in any way. The Last of Us is like, crazy. Content warning if you have kids or if. If any of your loved ones have ever been turned into mushroom zombies. But. But it is dope, and I am hooked now, especially after that episode with the great Nick Cofferman and what's his name? [00:09:44] Speaker A: Murray Bartlett. [00:09:45] Speaker B: Murray Bartlett. Woo. Where'd this guy come from? He. He's. He better get all the Emmys and. And. And get all the work in the world, because he's stupendous. [00:09:55] Speaker A: That's. That's what I. That's what I've heard. Like, they're, you know, like, they're just like, give Offerman or whoever and. And Bartlett, you know, and whoever wrote this, that episode, all the awards because it was like. It was stunning. It was like, stunningly shot. Acted. [00:10:13] Speaker B: It was just. [00:10:13] Speaker A: It was beautiful. It was beautiful. [00:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Are you a fan? Who's the artist that they play on the piano and then play at the end? [00:10:22] Speaker A: Oh, Linda Ronstadt. [00:10:23] Speaker B: Linda Ronstadt. Are you a fan? Are you familiar at all? [00:10:26] Speaker A: Oh, one. One of the great. One of the great voices of the 20th century. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Is that right? I'm not too familiar now. [00:10:33] Speaker A: She's amazing. So originally from Arizona, if I'm not mistaken, and went out west to. To LA and, you know, got a band going. I think the band was called the Stone Ponies, and then kind of like went solo and then got a band together that consisted of Glenn Fry on acoustic guitar and Don Henley on drums. These names sound familiar? [00:11:02] Speaker B: Are those, like, Eagles? [00:11:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:04] Speaker B: Oh, okay. How about that? I know what things are. [00:11:07] Speaker A: So. Yeah, so she got this, like, band going, and then the guys were like, hey, I really like jamming with you and writing songs with you. Let's start our own band. And they became the Eagles, so. Oh, she's really done it all. Like, she's just like, she. If I'm not mistaken, I think her. Her mother is Latina, and. And so she had a song or her mother or her father and so she did a song called. She did an album called Canciones, which I think means, like, songs. Songs for my father or songs of my father. And she sings the entire album in, like, traditional, like, Mexican vocal stylings. And it's, It's, It's. It's amazing. She did, like a stage career where she, like, acted and sang with, like, Kevin Klein. She's. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Wow. She. [00:12:03] Speaker A: She. She's the real deal. There's a great. There's a great documentary on her that I really want to plug. It's called Linda Rons at the Sound of My Voice. If you're listening and you want to dive of, like an amazing singer, check it out. The sound of my voice killer. [00:12:22] Speaker B: The. The song in the Last of Us. It's. It's. It's like the. The this season's equivalent to Master of Puppets from Stranger Things or whatever. Like, like it's gonna go viral in a hot minute. And like, even like Discogs is like, hey, here's the album. Here's the album, like, pushing it. Like, like, did you see that one? Because we saw it too. Holy hell. If. If your eye. If your eyes are dry, keep scrolling, but if they're wet, here's your links. Like, because that episode, like, I'm like, you know, because. Have you ever played the game Last of Us? It's based on a game I. I never have. [00:12:58] Speaker A: I know. It's beloved, though. [00:13:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And I guess they're staying pretty close to it or whatever. Yeah, yeah. My. Our man, Pedro Pascal, he should be. He should be our crush. [00:13:11] Speaker A: I love that. [00:13:11] Speaker B: But. And like, the kid, I don't know where. I don't know how they find these, like, teens that are so good at acting. It's unbelievable. [00:13:19] Speaker A: Bella Ramsey, she came out in Game of Thrones. She was like. She was Lyanna Mormont in Game of Thrones and she was kick ass. She's like this, like, little, like 14 year old who's like the last of her family. So she's like, in charge of, like, a house and, like, she's like, ordering around big, burly grown men and she's out there fighting, like, killing ice zombies. She's. She's badass. I really like Bella. [00:13:52] Speaker B: So in Game of Thrones, she was an orphan with dealing with older men fighting zombies. [00:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah, she's per. She was perfect for the role. [00:14:03] Speaker B: She's got some real range, man. Oh, and Patriot Pascal was on Game of Thrones too. Game of Thrones. Yeah, how about that? Anyway, anyways, I decided to bring that up because like, holy hell. That I watched all three episodes last night. Oh, wow. I stayed up and I was like, well, I was like, I'll wait till, like, a few of them drop. So I don't like it. Upset. Waiting. And then my buddy was like, episode three, episode three. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then the whole Internet was, like, exploding, like, and I saw, you know, some photos, like, oh, Nick Offerman. How about that? And I was kind of bummed that that was spoiled for me because I don't think anyone knew he was going to be on there. And then I watched. I watched, you know, episodes one, which. Which was devastating and starts in Austin, Texas. Hey, how about that? Where we're currently located. And then they go to Boston, blah, blah, blah. And like, it's just tragedy and all this stuff. And then episode three is just this gorgeous contained tale. But also, like, when it. What the reveal that, that he. That Joel Pedro Pascal is at that little dinner party or whatever, the camera turns, I'm like, oh, my God. They knew each other. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, oh, my God. Okay, well, I lost it. Yeah. [00:15:14] Speaker A: Well, remember in the first. The first episode when they're talking about. Oh, yeah, like, what. What is the. He has the book of like, like the Billboard charts or something like that. [00:15:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:26] Speaker A: And they're. And they're like, okay, so what is. They play a song from each decade to, like, signal. And they're like, what does the 80s mean? And they're like, trouble. [00:15:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:37] Speaker A: So, like, as they're, as they're walking away, there's that great shot where it cuts back to the apartment and the radio is playing Depeche Mode. [00:15:46] Speaker B: And so, like, is that what the song was at the end? [00:15:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Previous episode, Depeche Mode. [00:15:53] Speaker B: What's the best one track? Was it. [00:15:55] Speaker A: I think it was an early one. Never Let Me Down Again. That wasn't on Violator, I don't think. Okay, but now it's. It's a great show. Absolutely. I'm really. It's. It's just really, really well done. [00:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's good, good, good stuff. Have you. Have you seen anything recently? Maybe even from the 90s? [00:16:20] Speaker A: Not nothing, really. The one that really sticks out to me, though, is Empire Records. [00:16:25] Speaker B: Okay, everybody. Jake saw Empire Records for the first time. [00:16:29] Speaker A: I'd never seen this movie before. Have you heard about this? Have you heard about this movie? [00:16:33] Speaker B: Yes, I've heard about it. I've seen it many, many times. It was a. Like a. My old roommate Becky, friend of the show Becky Friend of the show, Becky. Sunday Morning Hangover. Classic. I'd go to the store, get Becky a Diet Coke and myself whatever I needed. And we'd stay on the couch all day and watch Empire records. Damn the man. Save the Empire. Like, this is infinitely quotable movie. What did you think of Empire workers for the first time? [00:17:00] Speaker A: Oh, it was a blast. It was like. It was like 90s weirdness, you know, with the staples, you know, he had the great soundtrack. You had the, the zany characters and then the dark turn that so often you got in 90s movies. And then it just picked back up again. I loved it. I can't believe I've never seen this movie. [00:17:21] Speaker B: It's odd to me that you missed that one because it's such a musical movie and there's so like. It feels like right up your alley. [00:17:28] Speaker A: I know. I. I see you've got the Cranberries, you've got Cracker, you've got better than Ezra, Toad, the Wet Sprocket, and my personal favorite, Gin Blossoms, which. Which plays at a really perfect point in the movie. But I added Gin Blossoms to our list of albums to. To discuss for the show. [00:17:52] Speaker B: Oh boy. [00:17:56] Speaker A: No, it was killer. I. It filled a very big blank spot in my, my 90s movies history. So it felt good to check. Check that one off. [00:18:10] Speaker B: The other night, a friend of mine were hanging out and we're talking about how this, like, you know, you know, the Oscars are coming up and like all these movies that are pretty dope are nominated. You know, like your Banshees of Inishearon, which is dope. I recommend, you know, your Fabelman's the Spielberg pseudo autobiographical kind of movie and memories kind of thing. And, you know, everything everywhere all at once. And then like, of course. And like in the Whale and like, because we're approaching the Fraser's dance, Brendan Fraser is back. I don't know if I think I. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Know where this is going. [00:18:47] Speaker B: So I. We both agree that I don't. That we don't have the emotional capacity to see the whale currently. So we went home and we watched Encino Man. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Classic. [00:18:59] Speaker B: It was that or Airheads. And you better believe I'm gonna watch Airheads again after this because we had a good old time watching Encino man laughing our asses off. It's so weird and very 90s. And everyone's shitty. The main character is shitty. He's like, I'm gonna use this caveman to be. Get popular. So odd. [00:19:19] Speaker A: Polly Shore is like the only like almost genuine person starting off in the movie because Sean Astin just wants to use him to get with. What's the girl's name? Is it Robin? [00:19:30] Speaker B: Bro, I don't remember the girl's name. She's in like two. Two scenes he's got a crush on. Yeah. [00:19:36] Speaker A: Robin. Yes, yes, Robin. [00:19:38] Speaker B: Wow. Well remembered then. Holy. Is it with a Y? I wonder if it's a rectum. It's with a Y. Is it really? I wonder if it's a reference to Robin the pop singer in the 90s. [00:19:48] Speaker A: Oh, weird connection. Robin Tunney is also in Encino Man. She's the one that thinks Link is hot. She's like, I think he's dope. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, she's an empire. She's Empire. Shock me, shock me, shock me. Sinead Rebellion. She shaves her head and wasn't she in. Was she in the Craft? [00:20:06] Speaker A: She was totally in the craft with. With icon of sipping Mimos. [00:20:12] Speaker B: Nev Campbell, the great Nev. Now we miss you blew your chance, but you're. [00:20:19] Speaker A: Always welcome on the show. Please come on. [00:20:21] Speaker B: Nope. [00:20:22] Speaker A: No. Okay, I'm sorry. [00:20:24] Speaker B: I've closed off my. My, the door and my heart. You. You got. You guys chat. It's fine. I'm cool with it. I'm not gonna do it. No, of course. Oh my God. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Nev Camel. I love and see him and is one of my favorite movies of the 90s. Like there's like all those lists where you, you know, you have your like your right. The right ones. You know, you, you have like your Pulp Fictions, your Shawshanks. I think you're like, good too. [00:20:52] Speaker B: And then you have your Encino Man. [00:20:54] Speaker A: For me, it's Encino man, babe. It's Encino Man. [00:20:59] Speaker B: That's quite a list. We had a time, Fraser. God damn, what a slab of beef that dude was. And like his. We're just like watching his acting. He's like, okay, you're a caveman. He's like, okay, got it. And. And oh, and Kiki Kwan is in the movie too. The. The dude from Everything Everywhere all at once. [00:21:18] Speaker A: Yes. [00:21:19] Speaker B: Which if. Have you seen it yet? God damn it, dude. [00:21:22] Speaker A: Oh, gorgeous movie. [00:21:23] Speaker B: Oh, okay, excellent. You know, he's short run from Indiana Jones. He's data from Goonies. It's like they're up. Like they're both up for Oscars this year. It's so gorgeous. It's so beautiful. What a beautiful time to be alive. [00:21:36] Speaker A: I know. It's probably going to be between Frasier and Austin Butler for Elvis. [00:21:43] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. Did you See Elvis? [00:21:45] Speaker A: I did. [00:21:46] Speaker B: Did you like it that much? [00:21:48] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like, just. I'm making my predictions. I'm. Okay, I didn't. I didn't care for Elvis, but I also don't care for a lot of Boss Lurman stuff, so. I know that's controversial. I. Romeo and Juliet iconic. You know, I really. I like that one, but I. I really have to be in the mood for, like, for his style, you know? [00:22:13] Speaker B: Can I tell you something? [00:22:14] Speaker A: What's up? [00:22:15] Speaker B: I agree. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:17] Speaker B: I think it's. It's. It's flashy to the point of exploitive. [00:22:23] Speaker A: Okay. [00:22:24] Speaker B: It's just so ridiculous. And like, also, we've talked about on the show before. I. I'm just done with biopics of musicians. Like, yeah, we're not. We're not gonna get this right. Like, why are we. What are we doing? It's so silly. All these dumb matters are gonna go method with it. Like, Austin Butler can't get the voice out of his throat anymore. Like, he's like. There's no. He just talks like Elvis. He's gonna have to get a new role to, like, snap out of it, you know? Finally. I don't know. [00:22:49] Speaker A: I saw he was. He's supposed to be in the new Dune. Like, so is it. [00:22:52] Speaker B: Is he. I think. [00:22:55] Speaker A: I think so. [00:22:56] Speaker B: I thought they. I thought they shot both of those at the same time. Is he really. Oh, my God. [00:23:02] Speaker A: I could totally be wrong. I. That could have just been a meme I saw, and I'm quoting incorrectly. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Hey, man, this desert plant's crazy. Oh, my God. These sand worms are huge, baby. That thing is huge. That's a pretty good Elvis, man. Well, thank you very much. Thanks for the layup on that one. Oh, my God, man. It's crazy. [00:23:26] Speaker A: Elvis was alive when the Dune book was published, so there's a very real possibility that he read this red Dune. [00:23:36] Speaker B: You know, this Frank Herbert guy. Whoa. That's some crazy ideas, man. Hey, man. Well, I can play an Atreides. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. [00:23:46] Speaker A: I. But long story short, I'm rooting for Brandon Frazier. I've. I know he's. He made some, like. Some movies I haven't seen in like, like the early aughts. But he played such a big part of my childhood. Yeah. From Encino man to Blaster in the past. The Mummy. [00:24:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I had. I had aged up a little bit out of the Mummy thing, but my friends liked it fine. And like, I was. I was moving on to, like, the Comic book stuff and then. But I think I always had a special place in my heart, you know, with like, what was Airheads and all that good stuff, man. I think he's incredible and it's lovely to see a comeback story. And I know this is the age of a nostalgia and we're on 90's podcast and all this like. But I don't think it's quite like he's not getting a nostalgia award. Neither is Kiki Kwan, who is just electric and everything. [00:24:40] Speaker A: Everywhere I saw this great post about. It was a picture of Harrison Ford hugging Kihei Kwan. And it says like. And it's. Have you seen the round table, the actors roundtable? They do with like Vogue. I think I've seen. [00:24:56] Speaker B: I've seen a clip of it. I know you're talking about. [00:24:57] Speaker A: Go ahead. And he. And. And is it Juan, that. That's his. [00:25:02] Speaker B: I think it's Kiki Kwan, I believe. Sorry. I believe. I don't know. I'm sorry. [00:25:07] Speaker A: I'm sorry. No, I want to make sure I did. [00:25:09] Speaker B: We're gonna get some. I'm about to get some French names wrong later in the episode, so I promise, he. [00:25:16] Speaker A: He talks, he brings up Encino man, which is pretty fantastic. And then Adam Sandler's on it too, who is of course was in Airheads with him. [00:25:23] Speaker B: So it's like, oh, forget it. [00:25:25] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a. There's it's this great picture of Harrison Ford hugging key. Ki Kwan. And it says, when I met Harrison Ford, I. I hadn't seen him in 30 years. And he saw me and he said, are you short round? Which is the character he played in Temple of Doom. And he said. And I replied, yes, indie. And he gave me the biggest hug and he just. And you can see in this picture Harrison Ford who's like famously grumpy, has the biggest, biggest smile on his face hugging. Yeah. His friend that he hadn't seen in such a long time. And so, yeah, I'm. I'm rooting. I'm rooting for the cast of Encino man at the Oscars this year. [00:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:13] Speaker A: And Michelle. Yo. Of course. And jam. Yeah. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Jamie Lee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hope. Michelle, I hope. I hope everything everywhere cleans up house. I sent a bunch of friends down on my couch that you're looking at behind me and made them watch everything everywhere. Within 10 minutes, everyone's bawling their eyes out and excited for the. What the rest of the movie and is going to be. And it's just, you know, I've said it before another show. Like, it's one of the best things I've ever seen. Listeners, if you haven't seen it yet, oh, my God. It's, like, back out in theaters. It's back out at Alamo this week. Just catch it. It's so. It's. It's just divine. It's divine. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Beautifully put. Yeah. I've never seen anything like it. Everyone in it is just off the rails. I've been a Jamie Lee Curtis head since the late 90s. I think the first time I saw Halloween. Yeah. So I'm really pulling. I mean, I think the ones I saw, you know, Banshees. Incredible. I haven't seen the whale, but I haven't either. [00:27:14] Speaker B: Is it even out yet? Even know if it's playing? [00:27:17] Speaker A: I don't think so, really. [00:27:18] Speaker B: Keeping that one close to the vest, seems to be. [00:27:22] Speaker A: But it's Aronofsky. [00:27:24] Speaker B: Yeah. What? What? Heartbreaking? Is that what you say? [00:27:31] Speaker A: Heartbreaking? Harrowing. [00:27:32] Speaker B: Harrowing. Truly. Yeah. [00:27:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I always get him kind of like him and P.T. anderson. Is it P.T. anderson? I always get them mixed up because I feel like both their movies are kind of like. In that they tell stories of, like, people that are really going through it. I feel like Aronofsky's maybe a little bit more psychological. [00:27:54] Speaker B: You described. When we. When back when we covered Trainspotting, you described Trainspotting as harrowing. A harrowing movie. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:01] Speaker B: No heroin pun intended. But I think it's disturbing. We can just say that, like. Yeah, Aronofsky does disturbing very well. I mean, he fucking made Requiem for the Dream. What a disturbing movie. Yeah, yeah. [00:28:15] Speaker A: He did the Mother and then Black Swan. [00:28:19] Speaker B: Love Black Swan. [00:28:21] Speaker A: I definitely have to be in, like, That a. A certain, like, mind space to process and, you know, take in those movies. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:30] Speaker A: So, yeah, I'm rooting for, though, and. And specifically Michelle. Yo. From everything. Everywhere. Everywhere, all at once. [00:28:38] Speaker B: She is. She's incredible. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Yeah, she's incredible. And she's been in the game, I think, for, like, 40 years. She said she. [00:28:44] Speaker B: She used to do with Jackie Chan back in the day. Oh, my God. She's, like, been a martial artist and like a dance person, like, for the longest time, and she's incredible. Crouching Tiger. She's insane. [00:28:53] Speaker A: That's right. [00:28:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:54] Speaker A: And it's like, all kinds. She's not a triple threat. She's all kinds of threat, you know, she's amazing. Amazing actor, stunt person. You know, it's. It's certainly justifiable to say that she's not just A girl. [00:29:11] Speaker B: Nailed it. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Here we go. Take this pink ribbon off my. [00:29:29] Speaker B: My eyes I'm exposed and it's no big surprise don't you think I know exactly where I stand this world is forcing me to hold your hand Cuz I'm just a girl A little love me well don't let me out of your s. Oh, I'm just a girl. [00:30:04] Speaker A: So my album this week is no Doubt Tragic Kingdom, which came out on October 10, 1995. So this album is celebrating its 28th anniversary this year, if you can believe. [00:30:21] Speaker B: Not I can believe it. Wow. [00:30:24] Speaker A: So this album. Let me see. Is the third studio album by no Doubt. Members of no Doubt include guitarist Tom Dumont, drummer Adrian Young, bassist Tony Canal, and lead singer, you might have heard of her, Gwen Stefani. The icon Gwen Stefani. Yeah. [00:30:50] Speaker B: So if listeners recall canonically, I live in Stefani Manor. [00:30:55] Speaker A: This is true. This is true. [00:30:59] Speaker B: Canonically, if you're paying close attention to the show. [00:31:04] Speaker A: That was so good. That was such a good callback. [00:31:07] Speaker B: I remember the show. Yeah. [00:31:12] Speaker A: Elliot. What? Well, I won't even say thoughts because this is an album that has been around for the majority of my life. Elliot, what are your. What are your first memories of no Doubt? [00:31:31] Speaker B: I remember they burst onto the scene and it was a lot of fun. And, like, it was. I was in high school and there was this big old SCA revival. I want to circle back to that in a second. Like Cherry Pop and Daddy's Brian Setzer Orchestra. Like, there was like a school dance where everyone wore a cool hats and suits and, like, canes and stuff like that. Like, riot. Yeah, yeah. And like, it was a whole big thing, like, and everyone was taking, like, swing dance class classes. In high school. In high school. Can you imagine doing this in high school? But, like, you know, horn sections and all that stuff. And then, like, no Doubt was a big old deal on the radio and like, you know, you know, Gwen Stefani of a present on the school bus on the way home. And I was like, okay, that's fine. And then a friend of mine, Rob. Hey, Rob. [00:32:30] Speaker A: Shout out, Rob. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Shout out, Rob, like, called me on my house's landline one night. This is pre, pre cell phone, kids. And it was like, I've got box seats for no Doubt. Do you want to go see them at the Van Andala arena in Grand Rapids, Michigan? And I was like, well, it's that or, you know, eat Triscuit nachos with my dad. So I was like, let's go to no Doubt, bro. This is May. This is this is May 1997. And so we went and saw no Doubt. It was a good old time. I looked it up and, like, the track list and everything. They. I was. I was, like, having a fine time. I was seeing it, like, you know, I wasn't, like, way into the band. We were in, like, a box because, well, a. Robert had some. Well, he had some parents, didn't he? And then. [00:33:30] Speaker A: Is this the same box you saw the Family Values tour in? [00:33:34] Speaker B: It might be an adjacent box. [00:33:36] Speaker A: Okay. [00:33:39] Speaker B: Don't check my White Privilege in Grand Rapids. [00:33:44] Speaker A: No, that was an iconic story. When we talked about the Family Values tour that you went to see it, to see Crystal Method. [00:33:51] Speaker B: I'm almost certain it was the exact same box. Yeah. [00:33:53] Speaker A: Dude, that's. That's cool. [00:33:56] Speaker B: I mean, is it cool? I don't know. I was, you know, a child. [00:34:00] Speaker A: Well, when you're. I mean, when you're like a teenager. I mean, I was 15. [00:34:05] Speaker B: I was 15. [00:34:06] Speaker A: I mean, that's pretty damn cool. [00:34:08] Speaker B: It was pretty cool. And no Doubt played. I couldn't figure out what the openers were tour. I don't know if it was anyone I know, but it was. It was the. It was the Tragic Kingdom tour. And they closed out with spiderwebs and the place went absolutely apeshit ape. And I'm like, this is pretty cool. [00:34:26] Speaker A: And I remember. [00:34:27] Speaker B: I remember, like, as a joke, I was screaming from the. The. The balcony in the box orever, like, gwen. Gwen. And she was, like, climbing on the speaker boxes and stuff like that. She's all punk rock and, like, doing crazy. I was like, gwen, hey, let's hang out, man. You know, Like. Like that. No Doubt was just like, party jams. Like, oh, that was a fun time. I go home and, like, everyone made fun of me. The next day, like, oh, it went to the no Doubt concert. [00:34:52] Speaker A: What a loser. [00:34:53] Speaker B: I'm like, what are you talking about? It was fun. [00:34:56] Speaker A: Like, yeah, all right. [00:34:57] Speaker B: That's not cool. I'm like, why is it not cool again? I forget. What are the rules of cool? I'm 15. So that's, like, deeply important, you know? Like, what are the rules? [00:35:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:35:05] Speaker B: No, which band would you like me to go to? Like, third tier friend that I barely know? Like, you're. You're giving me about. Oh, you're just jealous, aren't you? You're just fucking jealous. Like, this whole, like, you know, when you're. When you're that young, it's like, very important, like, to. You're. You're. You're standing in the community and all this. And like, no Doubt was like, cool or not. Like, I don't know, like there's a girl in it. Like, well, yeah, yeah. And like, luckily now things have changed and when there's a girl in something, it's totally different. Everybody's cool with it. Hashtag Captain Marvel, hashtag no Doubt in Kevin Marvel. Okay, we'll get to that. But yeah, I saw them live and it was a fucking blast. And I had a good old time. I'm like, these guys are fucking great. So they're like a mainstay. I'm like, like, you know, I see this a lot. Like pool parties, barbecues, like, oh, yeah, you know, house parties. Like, like throw some no Doubt in there. Throw, throw any of these, what, seven or eight big ass singles in your playlist. Everyone's gonna have a good old time. [00:36:10] Speaker A: Absolutely. You never told me you saw no Doubt. That's crazy. [00:36:13] Speaker B: I was saving it for this special episode, bro. [00:36:16] Speaker A: No, no Doubt there. And you talked, you, you touched on it about how, you know, they were. They had a female, you know, front woman, front person, you know, and in rock and not just in the 90s, that is very rare. You know, it's such a, you know, sadly, it's such a male, you know, centric genre. You know, even going back to like, you know, Janis Joplin, you know, like, I think that's the first one. Then shopping, maybe Grace Slick from Jefferson Airplane, you know, in the 60s. And then after that you had like Blondie and then to. Really, I, I was trying to, I was racking my brain. I was like, who else before, like, Gwen was like Gwen Stefani freaking iconic who was fronting main major rock bands. [00:37:14] Speaker B: Don't. Jet. [00:37:16] Speaker A: Joan Jet. That's. That's very true. So that's. I can't believe I got good call. [00:37:24] Speaker B: But I'll say the blonde Blondie was a big influence for no Doubt. [00:37:27] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. But like, on the level of like no Doubt, like when their contemporaries were all male bands. Yeah, that's. I feel like no Doubt reached levels of success that, you know, it's certainly your Joplin, your Slicks, your Blondie, Debbie Harry, Joan jets laid that certainly laid that groundwork to it made it possible for Gwen Stefani and no Doubt and, and I don't want to call them Gwen Stefani and no Doubt because they're certainly a group. But something must be said about Gwen's star power. Like, she, she's a superstar. So I'll say no Doubt. I apologize. No Doubt level of Success. It was just. Just insane. They were everywhere. [00:38:20] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a big old deal, really. [00:38:22] Speaker A: And so my. My first memories of no Doubt was hearing, like, Don't Speak on the radio in San Antonio. [00:38:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is an interesting, like, first. First listen up. No Doubt. Because it's like a Spanish guitar ballad. [00:38:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I know it's a bold statement, but top 10 song of the 90s. Huge. Like, I mean, Don't Speak was huge. Like, and it was like that. That. That was a weird chord. It starts off the song and then it starts off with, like, there's a Spanish classical guitar solo in there, too. The video where they're filming, like, a 1940s movie and I don't know, it was just so good. For lack of a better word. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:16] Speaker A: So good. [00:39:18] Speaker B: You always have, like, a no Doubt. It seems to be. I would compare. Compare, like, even in Martime's, maybe perhaps like Karen O in the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:39:27] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Even more, I would say, like Haley Williams in Paramore. [00:39:33] Speaker B: Oh, sure. You know, do you think, like, for a female leads, lead singer, led band, they have to be kind of outrageous to get some attention? I don't want you to agree with that necessarily, but, like, do you think she was, like, pushing it to get that sort of street cred? [00:39:56] Speaker A: You know, I think that would go for any. Any front person. [00:40:00] Speaker B: Oh, sure. Yeah. [00:40:01] Speaker A: You know, so if you're think about, like, what it takes, like, what a front person. So, I mean, everyone around you has something to do constantly, you know, a drummer does not stop moving the entire set, you know. Well, I mean, the entire song, you know, a guitar player, bass, keyboards, in this case, the horn section. There's. They're always. They've always got something to do. They're keeping the music going. You know, for any front person, you know, they've got to engage with the crowd. They have to connect with the crowd. Mecho's river, everyone from, you know, Jonathan Davis, from korn, Axl Rose, These are the, you know, the greats. And Gwen Sethani, who certainly deserves to be in that conversation. The way she was able to connect with her audience and the audience was able to see themselves in her. I think that's what makes a good front person. [00:40:59] Speaker B: Watching live videos and live recordings and having seen them way back, I. You know, it's a while ago, but, like, I won't say how many years ago, but it was. [00:41:09] Speaker A: I cannot believe you saw no Doubt that. And we've been friends for like, six. We've been friends for, like, six years. This Spring. And you've never, you've never once shared this with me. We've had multiple conversations about music. [00:41:24] Speaker B: Girl, what you don't know about me, you're just. [00:41:28] Speaker A: You're keeping that flame alive. I like that. [00:41:30] Speaker B: I'm a glass onion, babe. You gotta peel the layers away. Just like glass onion won't like the ending. You'll be like, oh, I stumbled into seeing no Doubt five, but it was a good old fucking time. I'm not. You know, there's another thing. I wasn't like the. A Deep cut no Doubt fan or anything. This is their third album. [00:41:55] Speaker A: It's crazy. [00:41:57] Speaker B: Crazy to me. [00:41:58] Speaker A: The first two albums. Let me pull those up. I. I personally have not listened to them a ton, but I know they're. They're more like Scotts and Trick. [00:42:09] Speaker B: Okay. All right. [00:42:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:15] Speaker B: What the. Is Scott? [00:42:17] Speaker A: Okay, so Scott is a little bit of reggae. Yeah. A little bit of punk. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Right. [00:42:28] Speaker A: And honestly, like a little bit of like marching band weirdness and sprinkle in. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Some bad fashion sense. [00:42:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very fashion, I think played a really big part of. Of ska. I mean, I think I saw something where it's like ska music is like. Ska music is like the musical equivalent of like a 13 year old boy eating mozzarella sticks at Pizza Hut or something like that at Mountain Dew. [00:42:56] Speaker B: Wait, someone stole my diary? Yeah. If I wasn't into. If I was. If I wasn't at this time so deep into electronic stuff, I would have been. I probably would have been wearing the sky like. Yeah. This tempo is fast. This is interesting. There's horns I love. I. I am a sucker for a good horn section to this day. I love it. I think it's like a good brass section. Forget it. [00:43:22] Speaker A: I think you've always been. You've always been a real horn head. That's. That's just your thing. [00:43:28] Speaker B: I don't know if you're trying to make fun of me, bro, but if you are, I'll take it. It's fine. [00:43:34] Speaker A: Never. Never. [00:43:37] Speaker B: Okay, but this is a big old horn head over here. No doubt. We're just. They were clearly having fun and she was, yeah. Quite the, you know, lead. Like, like when everyone's like trying to like get through the song, she's getting the crowd high. Does. She's, you know, she's sweaty and like her way too much makeup is dripping and like. And she's screaming and like. And having a good old time and like climbing the speakers and. And I, I assumed she didn't hear me because otherwise we would have been dating by now. Hashtag, look out Gavin, or whatever the hell is you. [00:44:12] Speaker A: You could have been Gavin Ross still. [00:44:15] Speaker B: Yeah, when I was 15. I don't know about that. You like the Chemical Brothers. [00:44:22] Speaker A: Like, have you heard homework? [00:44:26] Speaker B: You know, my aim will be like, I'm studying Japanese. And in high school soul. She's like, really? I'm like, yeah. [00:44:34] Speaker A: She really embraced Japanese culture as a solo artist. And I know there's like a conversation to be had about that, which. [00:44:43] Speaker B: Which maybe we don't need to have here, but like, it's. It's like from while listening to the album and doing a deep dive on the music videos that I know you want to talk about. Like, the Japanese thing has been there for a long time. Like, she's been really into that culture and like, really into that. Like, at least the aesthetics of it. [00:45:05] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. [00:45:07] Speaker B: Seems to. [00:45:09] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, another. Another memory I have is. So if you're listening and you're in San Antonio, you might remember this. They might. Hopefully they still do it because it was awesome. So there was. There was a high school in San Antonio and it was all girls. It was called Providence High School. And when they would have like, basketball tournaments or volleyball tournaments, they would play just a girl during like, warm up periods when the game wasn't going on. And I have like vivid memories of being like a. Like a punk high schooler and being like, oh, that's. No doubt. That rules, you know? [00:45:48] Speaker B: Wait. Wow. Interesting. [00:45:52] Speaker A: This is awesome. Let's get into some of the songs. [00:45:55] Speaker B: Sure. [00:45:57] Speaker A: Did you have any standout tracks? I know there's like three or four that just like hit you over the head. [00:46:02] Speaker B: Oh, they're all pretty wild, dude. There's like just. I think I've used the word too many times on the show before, but like, undeniable. Like, okay, Spiderwebs. Come on. I. I saw a review where, like, Spiderwebs opens the album and they. They close it on. They close out with that on tour. While Tragic Kingdom, the title track, would open the tour. Like, Emily, like, welcome to the Tragic Kingdom, which makes sense. Lie. And. But on the album they opened with Spider Webs, closed with Tragic King. So it's just an interesting. If you're looking at track order and you're a nerd about that stuff, like, I am. It's an interesting choice. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:50] Speaker B: I wonder if. I wonder if that's some, like, label stuff because they're like, oh, Spuderubs is the lead single. We're gonna open with that because people don't like to click next on albums. Just a Girl. Forget it. Do you remember this being in Captain Marvel? [00:47:08] Speaker A: So I've only seen Captain Marvel once, and it was a couple years ago. I need to go back. It's featured in it, though, heavily. [00:47:17] Speaker B: There's a scene in. Because Captain Marvel. Sorry to bring it back to the MCU listeners, but, like, there's a scene in Captain Marvel where she's like, it takes place in the 90s, and she famously wears a Nine Inch Nails shirt. And all the male reviewers were like, okay, name every album. You know, like, that kind of thing. Like, all got all mad about it. And then, like, they just. They play no Doubt It's Just a Girl as she, like, annihilates a bunch of aliens through a hallway. And it's fun. It's just a good. This is just a good time. Like, tell me about this bass player. [00:47:53] Speaker A: Oh, Tony. He's nuts. Did you. Did you watch that. That conversation? The Conan O'Brien video of them performing? [00:48:02] Speaker B: I. I did. I did. And what did I text you? [00:48:05] Speaker A: The keyboards are really up in the mix. [00:48:09] Speaker B: So I. I found out that Gwen's older brother used to play keys for them and write all their songs in the last two hours. [00:48:15] Speaker A: He actually, like, founded the band. Like, he started the band. [00:48:19] Speaker B: I did not know this. I had heard, like, weird drama where, like, she dated a bunch of members of the band, but I think maybe just one. The. The bass player, I think. I don't know. [00:48:29] Speaker A: So, like, Eric started the band and Eric. [00:48:32] Speaker B: Eric Stefani. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:35] Speaker B: Maybe that's whose manner I'm living in. [00:48:39] Speaker A: And he would get Gwen to, like, sing, even though she was, like, real. I think by all accounts, she was real. Like, like, shy, really. Kind of, like, quiet. He'd be like, no, I need you to sing these songs song, because I'm writing these songs so you can sing it. She just kind of, like, morphed into this, like, you know, magnetic. Once in a generation, you know, front person, and the rest is history. And she dated Tony Canal, the bass player, for, like, seven years. [00:49:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:12] Speaker A: And so if you watch the video for Don't Speak, which I love. [00:49:16] Speaker B: Sure. [00:49:17] Speaker A: It kind of kind of alludes to that kind of alludes to, you know, the band feeling. Maybe kind of like almost famous in. [00:49:27] Speaker B: The background style you've talked about. [00:49:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I'm one of the out of focus. [00:49:30] Speaker B: Guys, you know, I'm one of the autofocus guys. Yeah. You can see on the COVID art there's a fourth member in the back band, you know, and that's her brother and he's facing away from the camera. What? I did my research. Did you not? On the COVID of Tragic Kingdom, there's a guy behind the tree facing away. It's your brother. Whoa. [00:49:54] Speaker A: I never noticed that. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Did you know what he did? Because he left the album. He left the. Sorry. He left the band after this album, like, mid production. And they used to practice at his house. I don't want to. No Doubt explain to you, but. [00:50:09] Speaker A: No, no, this. This is very interesting to me. [00:50:11] Speaker B: He left the band. He was writing all the songs on this. And like, he's like. He's like, I'm kind of over it. He was, like, dealing with his own stuff and all this. And he didn't like, rehearsing. Didn't like. He certainly didn't want a tour. And they were like, this band's gonna be huge. We gotta do this. So Gwen took over writing everything. That's why this album, like, sounds tremendously different from their older stuff. And he. He left the band. But Gwen pushed for him to be on the COVID because he added the keys, but. But he left and went to draw for the Simpsons. Dude. [00:50:41] Speaker A: That's right. Yes. [00:50:43] Speaker B: Oh, isn't that crazy, man? [00:50:46] Speaker A: What a. What a career that man has had. Like, I founded one of the biggest bands of the 90s and early aughts, and I'm going to go draw for the Simpsons. [00:50:57] Speaker B: What a story, though. Holy shit. Yeah, Yeah. [00:51:00] Speaker A: I think I was watching a something on YouTube. I think it was Finn McKenty's Punk Rock NBA, which is an awesome YouTube channel. And he was like, that's a. I think he said, like, I think it. I think this was Finn McKenty. But he was like, that's a pretty cool thing just to tell. To like, to tell someone at a party, you know, like, yeah, I found it. No Doubt. And now I dropping the Simpsons, like, can't beat that are up. But no, this one was great. I mean, I. I really, really enjoyed listening to it. I made me really appreciate growing up and, like, having Gwen Stefani and no Doubt on the radio. And I say that when she went solo and did her own thing, my mom bought me, like, no Doubt's greatest hits when it came out. I forget what year. And I really enjoyed listening to that. And it really kind of like, opened my. Open my mind to a lot of, like, new sounds. I know. Like, as, you know, as the years went on, like, they kind of explored different sounds, like, more poppy, you know, what they did. Like, I'm feeling hella cool. So I'm just keep on dancing. Oh, sure. [00:52:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:13] Speaker A: That's nuts. Like, I think the album was called Rock Stick, so. Yeah, it's just listening to it, it just really made me thankful to be able to grow up and be able to turn on 96.1 San Antonio and hear this, hear this music. Because it was, it was really cool to be able to hear like, like a woman singing, you know, and control it and like having that much presence and power. Like, that was. As a kid who, as a kid who grew up idolizing, you know, corn and love biscuit, like, that was really cool for me. [00:52:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:45] Speaker A: And I'm sure for a lot of other. A lot of other kids to hear, for sure. [00:52:51] Speaker B: Well, okay, can we talk about her vocals there? Her stage presence alone? Absolutely. Her vocals are kind of wild, but it's also like the Billy Joe thing going on, right? [00:53:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Is it like a California thing? What's going on? [00:53:05] Speaker A: Might be, it might just be because, I mean, I feel like, like Scott is very theatrical. You know, we talked about the clothes, you know, with the zoot suits and everything. It might just be like a remnant of that very like, kind of like dramatic, like, singing style with the crazy like, vibrato that she, that she does on a lot of her stuff. I. I know there is, there is something to be said about, about her vocals, but at the same time, kind of like with Billy Joel, like, it wouldn't be no Doubt without. Hey, that r. That would. It wouldn't be no Doubt without those very unique vocals. Cuz even today no one sounds like Gwen Stefani. I think about, like Glenn Danzig and the Misfits. Right. So, okay, versus like Joan Jet and the Runaways, you know. [00:54:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:11] Speaker A: Hands down, Joan Jett totally more, more famous than the Runaways. You know, Runaways. Incredibly influential. You know, all, all female, you know, early punk band. But Joan Jett, come on, she's the queen of punk rock. Like, she's Joan Jett, you know. Then you have like, Danzig and the Misfits. Dan's. Glenn Danzig founded the Misfits, sang with them for a couple years, and then went solo. [00:54:41] Speaker B: However, Blondie. Disco punk. [00:54:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, but with like, like dancing. The Misfits always stayed in the conversation. They went on and of course they replaced him with a new singer. But even though Danzig found great success as a solo singer, the Misfits were always kind of part of the conversation. I know it's different because they had different singers and kind of kept on going, but I think it's kind of in that Same vein. I do hope that, you know, as wildly catchy and really cool that Gwen's solo music is, is I do hope that people will return to Tragic Kingdom and Rocksteady and Return of Saturn, I think, is the one that followed this one. And. And really dive into these, like, amazing. The catchy and, like, powerful songs, for sure. So, you know, Gwen finally famously sings that she's just a girl. [00:55:41] Speaker B: She does, yeah. [00:55:42] Speaker A: To you, Elliot, I would say. [00:55:44] Speaker B: Huh? [00:55:46] Speaker A: I'm a sexy boy. [00:56:10] Speaker B: Sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy listeners. Jake crossed his arms when he said that, and I about pissed my pants. I'm a sexy boy, he says to me. [00:57:00] Speaker A: I wish we could do that with this screenshot for the Instagram. [00:57:03] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we can figure that out. We'll recreate it. All right. [00:57:11] Speaker A: You ready to talk Moon safari? [00:57:13] Speaker B: I sure am. [00:57:15] Speaker A: Let's do it. [00:57:16] Speaker B: So, to begin with, Moon Safari, my album for this week by Air. Parenthetical French guy. Air. We'll call him Air. [00:57:26] Speaker A: I will be. [00:57:28] Speaker B: I'll have to admit. [00:57:29] Speaker A: Are you gonna do this? Are you gonna do the rest of this episode in French? [00:57:34] Speaker B: No, that would be. [00:57:36] Speaker A: That would be crazy. Okay. What? [00:57:41] Speaker B: Baguette Air. French bound. Moon Safari. I have to admit, I. This is an album I have spent as much time with as I have with previous suggestions. [00:57:55] Speaker A: Okay. [00:57:56] Speaker B: I knew that. I knew that Jake had found it on his own exploration, and I do respect that. I was really excited. It was. It's been on my list since the day we started the show, but it's. It's been. It's. It's been holding me back because I didn't know it inside and out. I. I'm more familiar with their later works and some. Some of their solo stuff that we'll get to in a second. Air. Is. How about this? Another French duo. They're actually from. They're from. Yeah. All my guys are duos. I don't know what that's about. Maybe. Maybe watch Last of Us, episode three and you have a better idea of what's going on here. I'm just saying they're from Versailles, which is a bit outside of party, and it's a. Here we go. Nikola Godin and Jean Benoit Dunkle. That was good. Really? [00:58:58] Speaker A: Huh? [00:58:59] Speaker B: Do you think so? All right, I'm trying. This album has the big single, Sexy Boy, which is in a movie, I think, but who cares about that? We won't talk about that at all anymore. More familiar. I remember talky walkie Pocket Symphony, Love two, like their later albums and all that. Moon Safari hadn't spent a lot of time with. But I sure did recently and holy, it's gorgeous. [00:59:21] Speaker A: It's absolutely astonishing this album is. So before we jumped on, I was. I was commenting to Elliot how both our albums tonight are both just such vibes. Probably Moon Safari more so than. Than Tragic Kingdom. So. So Moon Safari is such a vibe that I switched from my pineapple and gin juice to a. To a. To a Merlot. So it's this. That's just what you need for this album, man. [00:59:55] Speaker B: I sw. I switched from my devil's devil's backbone to straight up toilet water only to. Only to punish myself for not getting into Mutsafari when it drops. Jake is losing his mind. [01:00:13] Speaker A: Where did you discover Amor? Imagination Rev, better known as air. [01:00:22] Speaker B: All right, a couple things. I've heard the acronym thing too. What, what. What our. Our beloved host Jake just incited is like the idea that AIR is an acronym for a. More Imagination Rev meaning Dream Love. Imagination Dream. It's not confirmed, but it works. And isn't that nice? Like, like I don't know if it was A clever review 1 at one point where like they should just call themselves Imagination or. Anyway, which is better than what most publications try to categorize their genre. Space pop, you know, like loungecore, which from what I can gather is Burt Bacharach with a drum machine, which isn't bad. I don't mind, I don't mind that. But just. They're just kind of their own thing. Like Viva la France. They, they. They bring in like some like 60s jazz influence. They bring in like these, this like, you know, 70s and 80s ELO kind of like synth thing going on, you know, electric light orchestra. Like they bring in the vocoder like it's no one's business. They have a grimy ass bass. I think it's a lot of vocal. [01:01:43] Speaker A: On this one, which I love, but. [01:01:46] Speaker B: But it's not over the top. I think, I think it's Nicola who plays the bass and it's unbelievable on bass. I hope you enjoy the bass lines on this because it's. It's Bonker Rooneys. This is like, it's, it's. It's a whole different, whole different thing. It's not. This always pops up in the, you know, best electronica albums of the 90s along with like other. Other bands and, and artists. Because it gets, I think it. Because it like in a search engine optimization sort of way, it gets tagged with these things. But this is a band. These guys are playing instruments and recording them and yeah, they have a drum machine, but they're electronica like the way any. Any other band might be because they're just. They have happened to record this electronically. [01:02:36] Speaker A: I would compare them like to modern day, like. Like mgmt, you know. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. [01:02:44] Speaker A: Two guys. It's two guys. They're. They're not as electronic but you know, it's two guys that. It's a band, you know, maybe even like Passion Pit. It's one guy, but the music is performed by a group and that's what. [01:03:01] Speaker B: That's. [01:03:01] Speaker A: I was kind of thinking those are of course not as smooth as air because we'll get to it, but this is a smooth ass album, my lord. Okay. [01:03:11] Speaker B: I don't mind those comparisons and those resonate and make sense to me. Mgmt, Passion Pit, sure. In. In the way that they're making kind of synth driven pop sensibility, romantic tunes. But these guys are making like. They're a little more on the jazz side. They're a little more of like Blue Note, like small room kind of stuff. Like the synths are muted and they are. They are slow and like this is like orchestral and cinematic as opposed to like everyone can jump up and down to this at a festival. [01:03:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:51] Speaker B: They had a decided aim to be sexy and cool with this when, when they were coming up. So what were Thomas Pangalter and Emanuel De Joman. Cristo. Daft Punk. And they. They speak in interviews of Daft Punk, kind of their peers. Ish, meaning other French duos that are coming up in the quote, electronic world. They speak of them pretty dismissively. Like after Daft Punk's homework came out, they're like, everyone, I'll. These DJs started trying to make mimicries of this and like this, this became a formula and we, we weren't really into it so we discovered like this kind of down tempo lounge. If we're going to call it Space pop, the emphasis on the word space. There's a motif of space, moon, safari, Kelly in the stars, you know, New Star in the Sky. New Star in the sky is a track on the album that's about Dunkle having a kid. Like every time a child is born, a new star appears in the sky. Like they're. They're trying to take you on this like weird sexy voyage and. And they are just so deeply, deeply, deeply cool about it. If that. If that punk is MTV, these guys are VH1. This is a decidedly more mature kind of vibe. You've asked me before, like, when do these bands play or when. When is you Know, this artist played this is, you know, Sunday morning, perhaps on a. You know, in Austin on a frozen Tuesday. Like, this is the kind of I. I played. I was listening to it outside and, like, you know, freezing my ass off, having a coffee. Like, it was. It hit the spot. Jake, what'd you think of Moon Safar? [01:05:38] Speaker A: Oh, man. An incredible piece of work, really. Just quite stunning. So Homework, which was a compilation, came out in 97, but it's from stuff like, from starting from, like, 94, 93, up to 97, right? [01:05:56] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:57] Speaker A: Okay. So it's really. So you. I think you said, more mature this Moon Safari is, and I see that. And that might be because maybe these guys had, you know, being part of that French electronic scene, maybe they had an ear to what, you know, their peers in Daft Punk were doing, because I think we talked about it on our inaugural episode. But Homework is so oftentimes, it's not as, like, cohesive, maybe of a. Listen, this thing just. It fits together like Legos. [01:06:36] Speaker B: It's. [01:06:37] Speaker A: It's just. It flows so beautifully, like, from beginning to. From T to B. [01:06:45] Speaker B: No. [01:06:46] Speaker A: Top to bottom. [01:06:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:48] Speaker A: You know, it's really quite stunning. This is one I. In my notes for this one that I. So I. I texted Elliot, like, I think a year ago, almost a year ago, and be like, have you ever heard of air? You know? And he was like, I. I think you said, like, hands off. That's my album. And I was like, oh, I wanted. I wanted to do this tomorrow. [01:07:10] Speaker B: I was like, don't you dare. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. [01:07:12] Speaker A: This might be, like, the first album that we've covered where it. It walks the line of, like. It's not like a rock album, but it could be. Take it like. Like indie, maybe. It kind of like, walks that line of, like, electronica and indie rock or rock. If I would have done this one, I think it would have worked just as well. [01:07:37] Speaker B: Like, it's. [01:07:38] Speaker A: If you've done it, because it's. It's. It really crosses over quite well. [01:07:43] Speaker B: What are your thoughts in regards to the podcast? If you were to submit this one? I would be able to submit. Okay. Computer. Like, in the. In that error. Moon Safari is not dance music. It's not. You know, it's not. It's. [01:08:05] Speaker A: It's not lit, you know, like, it's not like R Sugar Ray either. It's. It's like. [01:08:09] Speaker B: Right. It's. It's not Underworld. It's. It's. It's closer to the Grand Groove Armada of anyone probably that we've said that we've covered so far. Or even hybrid. Yeah. Perhaps hybrid with the cinematic strings, but. But the tempos are so low. Perhaps portiset. Their vocalist is even named Beth. Like, it's. It's close, but I wouldn't call this trip hop. It's like some. It's like some weird future jazz, future space jazz going on. And here I am, you know, calling a. Some dumb term that. It's just music, man. It's just air. And, like, we don't have to put it into a certain genre. It's electronic because they've used electronic elements. Fuck genre. It's gorgeous. And it's worth talking about as a beautiful album in the 90s. It's just so deeply romantic and like. And spacious. And I do believe. Believe they take you on a little journey. Do you have favorite songs on here? [01:09:10] Speaker A: So. So I've literally hearted every single. All 10 songs on. On the release. It's a shorter album from the electronica side of things. It's. [01:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:23] Speaker A: According to Spotify, it's 43 minutes, 44 seconds. [01:09:27] Speaker B: How long is Treasure Kingdom? [01:09:29] Speaker A: 59 minutes. [01:09:31] Speaker B: Really? [01:09:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:32] Speaker B: Decided this had to be longer. All right. [01:09:34] Speaker A: But this. This is. This is. It's perfect. I can't. So I've talked multiple times, I think, throughout the course of the show about. I know he's come up a lot. He's one of my favorite favorite actors ever, Heath Ledger. He's up there with Josh Hartnett for me. But he came out in a movie called 10 Things I Hate about you, which is based on a Shakespeare play, Shakespearean play. Taming of the Shrew, if I'm not mistaken. In this movie, David Krumholtz and Joseph Gordon Levitt are tricking people to come to a party at Bo Loganstein's house. They. They do so by make. Printing out flyers and throwing, you know, hundreds of flyers down a stairwell in this, like, beautifully shot, like, slow motion of these, like, papers just falling down this. This stairwell. And the song that plays during this part is Sexy Boy Song 2 on this album, which is just insane to me. I'll never forget, like, the first time I. The first time I saw that. I saw this movie, God, years ago. I remember, like, being instantly intrigued by this song by Air because it didn't sound. It didn't sound like anything I'd ever heard before in my life. I was like, is that a synth or is that, like a really distorted bass? And then that. That. That the. The vocal. Sexy boys. It Certainly has, like a chorus on it. It's manipulated in such a way that it's just like wrapped me into the song. And I did not discover that it was this band error so many, many years later. But so long story short. Sexy boy killer. [01:11:36] Speaker B: Long story long. Once I went to the movies. [01:11:43] Speaker A: I've literally talked about Heath Ledger intended by you, like, throughout this show. So I needed to give it dude name. [01:11:49] Speaker B: Name one other good movie he's been in. Name one. I dare you. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Dark Knight. [01:11:55] Speaker B: Oh, right. No, I'm joking. No, I knew that. Hey, I'm not gonna come out to Heath Ledger. [01:12:03] Speaker A: I'm a Heath head. You know this beathead. I'll say. My second favorite, though, is Talisman. I adore. Really? I adore that song. [01:12:14] Speaker B: It's interesting. [01:12:17] Speaker A: I love it. Oh, I love it. [01:12:19] Speaker B: What makes you love Talisman so much? [01:12:21] Speaker A: I like the chord changes. It starts off with that organ. [01:12:29] Speaker B: There's almost some Ennio Morricone going on here. Like. Like some cinematic kind of western going on. [01:12:36] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:12:39] Speaker B: So when did you discover the album Moon Safari proper and, like, dive into it? [01:12:44] Speaker A: I think, like last spring. [01:12:46] Speaker B: What, did this pop up on your suggested or whatever? [01:12:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I always try, you know, being. Being a co host of A Sip of Mimos. I want to be as prepared as possible. You know, I want to be able to, like, bring something to the conversation because, you know, as I've said, like, you know, you know, you know your stuff and I want to be able to keep up with, you know, my co host. And honestly, I thought this was going to be way more psychedelic. Just from the album artwork and the fact that they did, like, they were associated with Virgin Suicides. [01:13:28] Speaker B: They did the score of it. [01:13:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought it was going to be like guitar driven, psychedelic, kind of like. I didn't realize they were French, so I thought it was going to be like, more like poppy. So when I turned it on and heard forget it, Forgive me if I mispronounced that. [01:13:50] Speaker B: You're fine. Did you watch that live version I sent you? [01:13:53] Speaker A: Oh, I was going riches. [01:13:54] Speaker B: Did you watch all eight minutes of it? Because it turns into a beast. And that percussionist, I. I think it's. [01:13:59] Speaker A: Really cool how they have their. Their A band and I think a lot of you kind of touched on it too. But they're a group, you know, like, they're. They're able to, like, reproduce these compositions, you know, with a full band. I think that's. I think that's really neat. [01:14:16] Speaker B: A lot of my guys are duos, but these Guys weren't too concerned with, like, staying that way. They're like, no, we're gonna need some musicians. We need a vocalist. We're gonna need, you know, percussionist if they hit the road and blah, blah, blah. And they did. And their laugh shows are pretty. Pretty far out and few and far between. [01:14:33] Speaker A: Have you ever. Have you ever, like, sneakily seen air? [01:14:36] Speaker B: No, I would tell you if I saw Air, dude, believe me, that'd be like. Oh, I would tell you that right away. That would be something else. Me having tickets to an air show would necessitate me a very, like, Judd Apatowesque Search 24 in 24 hours of me trying to find a girlfriend real quick. Because this is very sexy, very romantic music. And if you bring a girl to an air band. Air. Air show. I wrote down, like. Like to. To just, like, surmise Air as a band. Like, this is music that you put on a mixtape to court and seduce someone. It just doesn't. It doesn't get quite better than this. Like, one of the best tracks on the album. Kelly watched the stars. Kelly watched the stars. Fantastic. Kelly is. It's named after Kelly from Charlie's Angels, portrayed by Jacqueline Smith, who, like, they. Both these guys fell in love with as kids and stuff like that. [01:15:50] Speaker A: And they're like, Smith totally from Texas. [01:15:53] Speaker B: No, Houston, Texas. [01:15:58] Speaker A: And. And so Kalista Flockhart from, like, Corpus, if I'm not mistaken. So cool. Sweet. Can we talk about. Remember the. The vocoder on. Remember? Beautiful. I. I have a vocoder and I'm. [01:16:18] Speaker B: Do you really? Huh. Let's see. [01:16:20] Speaker A: And this is the sound that I always wanted to, like, reach, but I never could really. So what do you know about Beth Hirsch? It looks like. It sounds. It looks like she. She does vocals on All I Need, and you make it easy. [01:16:39] Speaker B: All I Need, dude, All I need is, like, that's fine. Like, she. She's doing her. Like, it's a. I mean, I don't want to compare artist to artist, like, necessarily, because I don't think she's going for it, necessarily. But like, that. That's your Gibbons track. Like, you know, that's your Portishead tune. [01:16:58] Speaker A: Absolutely. But it's where Portis has a little more lo fi. [01:17:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure these guys are bombed about the comparison, but Homegirl's name is Beth. So what are you gonna do? Yes, it's, you know. And she sounds a bit like Gibbons. [01:17:12] Speaker A: She does, yeah, big time. [01:17:15] Speaker B: Apparently she was a next door neighbor of one of the members of Air, and, like, Sang at a karaoke party with them and they're like, oh, hey, you want to come over tomorrow? Because we're working on like an album that's going to change the world. So she just laid down like three tracks and like. And she's breathtaking. [01:17:32] Speaker A: Absolutely. And I'm assuming the guys, the other, the other two guys in the band, they're. They're singing everything else with the vocoder. [01:17:41] Speaker B: And it's mostly Dunkle doing the vocal, vocoder singing, and then it's. That's. Is it. Got it. Oh, Godin Godin G. He's on. He's playing that mean ass bass. [01:17:56] Speaker A: Oh, it's a tasty bass. [01:17:58] Speaker B: It's crazy. It's really wild. If you're. If you're a fan of the vocals and the vocoder stuff, I would recommend Darkel. That's Dunle's solo work. He put it on out in like 06 or 08 or something like that called Dark Owl and there's some real jams on there. If you're into like the full on future pop kind of Here I go again with the fake, with the fake genres. Future space pop, you know, Tundra kind of synth wave stuff. Vocutter wave it is, but it's very cool. TV Destroy, you know, friend, there's some dope, dope tunes on that, on that album. It's very good. We've said before these guys went on to do score version suicides. They show up. One of their tracks, Lono Kyoto, shows up in Lost in Translation. Their cinematic qualities helped them get a lot, get into a lot of soundtracks and help some movies out. [01:18:55] Speaker A: Absolutely. I totally see that. I talked about Talisman that Man. That one to me is. I keep on going back to that one. That song. That's the song. Even though I. I think I feel like I talk about sexy boy every three episodes. So I'm kind of. I've kind of learned how to play music by ear, so I could totally be wrong by this, but I'm a sucker for like a minor chord into a major chord into a nudge. A nudger. Another major chord. [01:19:28] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:19:29] Speaker A: And I think that's the chord change going on in that song. It's the chord change in. In Eagle Eye Cherries Save Tonight, which is like one of my favorite songs of all time. [01:19:39] Speaker B: Oh, God damn it. [01:19:41] Speaker A: But it's so cinematic and it's got so many qualities of a lot of the. A lot of my favorite electronic albums that we've listened to. If we end up doing our end of year list. This one's gonna be a really, really big contender for best of because I. I really, really, really, really like this album. [01:20:06] Speaker B: Jake, when would you play Air? Like, what social situation would you play it? [01:20:11] Speaker A: I would probably play it if I was having like a. If I was hosting a party and things went like. Things went like, a little later and it seemed like, is it like, is it a. [01:20:25] Speaker B: Okay, get the hell out of here album? We're clearly trying to close down the night kind of. [01:20:33] Speaker A: That's. That's. I'll just be straight up and just put like semisonics closing time. Like, I loved hanging out with you, but come on now, you know, let's be. [01:20:44] Speaker B: Let's be reasonable. But if it's like, guys, it's 8:45pm this is crazy. [01:20:52] Speaker A: I'm a notoriously early, early to bed. So if it hits 8:45, we're putting on air. [01:21:00] Speaker B: No, I. I'm on four minutes borrowed time right now. If I'm. If I got my time right. [01:21:09] Speaker A: I would say if it's like. If it's like a chill evening, everyone's kind of. If there's like multiple, like, conversations going on. People are like, you know, talking, catching up, you know, and I didn't want to do something that was. That was like, you know, catching like. Oh, man. Yeah, but just something to kind of like help supplement conversation, enhance the. Enhance the warmth of a room. [01:21:40] Speaker B: Ah, beautiful. [01:21:42] Speaker A: I would. I would put on Moon Safari because it. Because I know that. I know that it'll. It would envelop those around me and I could sit by myself and just like, listen to it and take it all in because, yeah, I. I adore this one. I know I said. I've said adore before, but this was stunning. [01:22:05] Speaker B: Just fantastic. Yeah, I was actually. Actually recently at a brunch get together and like, you know, it was an earlier brunch, you know, meaning like 11am or whatever. The host was looking for music to play, and I was like, air, moon, sapphire, drop it. And then, you know, perfection. It's perfect. Sunday morning, we're all. We all had a good weekend, let's talk about it kind of music. It's beautiful. [01:22:32] Speaker A: If you were doing like. So you talked about putting on little fluffy clouds after a long night out, and you're like, chilling out. I would put like, Moon Safari on. I would cue the whole album up and then put on little fluffy clouds. Chill out. [01:22:52] Speaker B: This. This. This album is like, we've got coffee brewed, there's croissant. There's croissants, there's a cheese spread. It's. We're easing into our Sunday. [01:23:04] Speaker A: It's a. It's. It's a very Sunday album. [01:23:08] Speaker B: It's a Sunday album, baby. Yeah, Big. [01:23:11] Speaker A: It's a Sunday. Like, get driving to a brunch, driving to meet friends. You know, the sunlight shining through the trees into your car. You're taking in the city fresh from the new day. Day. [01:23:27] Speaker B: You've got like a cre. A killer outfit on. You're feeling very French. Like your hair is flowing. You got like some dope ass shoes on. You're about to meet some friends and some acquaintances for lunch. And you're gonna look good, dude. And you're gonna. You're gonna order something fancy, perhaps a mimosa, perhaps something else. And like in this is planned and this place is like dimly lit even though the days are still starting. [01:23:52] Speaker A: It's. [01:23:53] Speaker B: It's just romantic. It's poetry. It's beautiful. [01:23:55] Speaker A: It's. It's amazing. It really is amazing. And what. What's really cool is I'm interested to see when Phoenix came about, because I have a feeling they are from like the same period. And if that's the case, kudos to France for producing some really amazing bands from this time. Yep, 1995, Phoenix is formed. So there's a very real possibility that Phoenix was hanging out at some early Daft Punk and air shows, which is pretty damn cool. Are you a Phoenix fan? We haven't talked about Phoenix. [01:24:41] Speaker B: I don't know if you're jerking me around right now or not. [01:24:46] Speaker A: You. You know me. I don't. Jerk. [01:24:52] Speaker B: Phoenix is a French band. This is correct. You're not jerking me around right now? [01:24:58] Speaker A: No. What's up? [01:25:00] Speaker B: But they formed, of course, like, you know, earlier. Phoenix, you know, took a. Took a while to break through and become this, you know, huge thing that as they are now. They're coming to town with Beck right now. Holy. Can you imagine? Phoenix is considered to have started in like, you know, like, for salmon, like 97. But like, they formed earlier than that. And there were two members of the band Phoenix, Tomas and Guy Manuel. And they were kicked out of the band after the first reviews of Phoenix. The band were set to print. And the reviews said, these guys are a bunch of Daft Punks. So Tomas and Gimanuel left the band Phoenix and started their own duo. As Phoenix went on top, went on to do other things. [01:25:51] Speaker A: Stop. [01:25:54] Speaker B: Thomas and Guy Manuel became no Daft Punk. [01:25:59] Speaker A: Stop. [01:26:00] Speaker B: I used to serious Daft Punk used to be part of Phoenix. Yeah. [01:26:08] Speaker A: Bro. Man, I will drink to that. [01:26:13] Speaker B: How do I speak up? Okay, guys, God damn it. [01:26:18] Speaker A: When you said to Moss and Key, man, what? I was like, hold on. I know it was three years ago now, but that could be anyone. I had no idea. So the guys in Daft Punk used. [01:26:33] Speaker B: To be in Phoenix, just like Stefani's brother, playing the synth and running the. [01:26:40] Speaker A: Tunes and then going to draw for the Simpsons. [01:26:44] Speaker B: That's why on the album Homework, there's a track called Phoenix. Just take it in, take it in, take it, give it, give it as much, as much time as you need. [01:26:53] Speaker A: Man, I. Man, I don't think I've ever been, like, as, like, stunned on Sip and Mimos as I am tonight. January 31, 2023. I am blown away. That's gonna be my new favorite thing to share with people. Like, in public. Like, hey, man, you know, guys, Dab Punk needs to be a Phoenix. [01:27:17] Speaker B: What I remember, like, I probably told this story before. When I was living in New York. I was the DJing at a bar one night and, like, no one was there. I'm like, where is everyone? Like, oh, they're at the Phoenix show. And I. It's like, got texts like. Like, from friends that were at the Phoenix show at Madison G.D. square Garden. And for the encore, Def Punk shows up and plays a set like, like, are you out of your mind? And like. Like, they do a curtain call together. It's, you know, I'll send you a video link to it. It's insane. They play a song with Phoenix. It's insane. They play. They play harder, better, faster, stronger. With Phoenix as the band. [01:27:54] Speaker A: Okay, I would have remembered that. [01:27:56] Speaker B: This is. We're talking Viva la France. French music and French bands. And. And is. Is that not the craziest ever? [01:28:07] Speaker A: That's insane. [01:28:09] Speaker B: Isn't that wild, dude? [01:28:11] Speaker A: I mean, always. [01:28:14] Speaker B: Well. Well, here we go. We're talking about. You know, we're talking about. With no Doubt lead singers leading, leaving bands. Ozzy leaving Black Sabbath or leaving Black Sabbath. Yeah. You know, Joan Jett going solo, you know, and Gwen Stefani, of course, going solo and doing her own thing. Like, kind of leaving that band behind. I hope they're doing all right. Someone do a check on the members of no Doubt. I hope they're okay. Okay, I. [01:28:46] Speaker A: So I've never seen no Doubt, but the guys in no Doubt totally formed a, like, different. Like, a. Like a new band with D. With Davey Havoc of. No, I'm sorry. Of afi. They're like, they're like a, a really fantastic. Like they started off hardcore, then they went to this like, goth industrial, and then they just really. Yeah, so. [01:29:13] Speaker B: Oh, I love that. [01:29:14] Speaker A: No doubt. I mean, AFI, they have some albums in the 90s that we'll, we'll get to eventually, but they're one of my favorite bands of all time. But so the guys. So Adrian, Adam and Tony, the bass player, guitarist, and drummer of no Doubt, formed a band with Davey Havoc of AFI called Dream Car. [01:29:35] Speaker B: Dream Car. Everyone look up Dream Car. Give him the clicks. Holy. That's awesome. I'm gonna look this up immediately. [01:29:43] Speaker A: I got to see him at Austin City Limits Festival a couple years ago and they were, they were awesome. It was because as, I mean, as iconic as like Gwen is, was and is Tony Canal, like, he's, he's a presence on stage, you know, like Adrian, Adrian Smith. I'm sorry, Adrian Young. Adrian Smith, I think is from Iron Maiden. He, you know, he would play, he would play sets like in like thongs with his hair spiked up like crazy. Like, and then like Tom Dumont, the guitarist, he would play these like, like flying B guitars. And I remember as like a young starting off musician, I would see these guys and be like, really, like, like, wow, they look cool. You know, so. But yeah, Dream Car, they were, they were awesome live. [01:30:33] Speaker B: So. [01:30:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:34] Speaker B: Okay, good to. Good to know. I'm gonna take, I'm gonna check that out. Can we get that one the show? [01:30:38] Speaker A: Oh, I would man. Just to chat with the crew from no Doubt. I would die. But no. Thank you for bringing air finally to the show. I'm. Yes, this, this is one I'm going to return to. So would you, would you buy the vinyl you. You mentioned playing some deep cuts off Tragic Kingdom. So you. And you already have a, a 7 inch. Hello. You already have. So you already have. [01:31:09] Speaker B: Hello. [01:31:10] Speaker A: An error single. Would you buy. So I know you. Would you buy Moon Safari? [01:31:19] Speaker B: I want their discography, dude. I, I, I, I, I want all of it. Like, didn't you last episode you pulled out, you have Virgin Suicides. [01:31:30] Speaker A: So that's that it's not their score. It's like the, it's like the, like the music that appears so like stakes come sail away. So like they like 70s songs that populate the movie. [01:31:44] Speaker B: Oh, okay. It's not their. Okay. They put that up. Okay. [01:31:50] Speaker A: Okay. A year later. All right. Which is, which is still cool. [01:31:56] Speaker B: Oh, typical. That's fine. [01:31:58] Speaker A: No, but I would, I would like to track down that Virgin Suicides score for sure. [01:32:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Their Other stuff is dope. Um, again, I'll recommend Dark El, like, solo work. Awesome. And yeah, anything these guys touch is like, perfectly produced and, like, beautifully recorded. If you're into them, I would check out 07, the band, and then also another duo called Kruger and Dorfmeister, which we might just get to on, on the show. But it's like a three hour lesson, so I wouldn't do that to Jake. I mean. [01:32:47] Speaker A: Awesome. Yeah. Would you, Would you. If you found a copy of Tragic Kingdom in the Wild, would you pick it up? [01:32:54] Speaker B: I absolutely would. Yeah. [01:32:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:32:56] Speaker B: I mean, like, it's, it's, it's, it's almost at this point, like a silly question, like, would I pick up the vinyl? Yeah, I pick up that vinyl. And man, if I saw like an, like a, like an og, like, original pressing Tragic Kingdom, can you imagine the pops and cracks on it? And then like, you know, go to a gig and it's like in the middle of a drum and bass set, just drop spiderwebs. People would lose their shit. [01:33:24] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yes, by the album, Stream, no Doubt, Stream Air and be grateful that we live in a time where Gwen Stefani is making music and fashion and art, because she's a icon. All right, So I think it's safe to say no Doubt and Air are awesome. So like, we said, stream their stuff. Take it in, enjoy it. It's really special and we think you'd really like it. But for next time, Elliot and I have got something cooked up really special for y'all. I know personally, I'm really excited to talk about this next artist. He is one of my all time favorite singer, songwriters, artist. Interpreter of songs. [01:34:21] Speaker B: Interpreter of songs. [01:34:23] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And we'll see a lot of that on this album. I've been kind of obsessed with this person since about 2004, so we're pushing like 19 years now. And I'm really, really excited to talk about this particular release. So, Elliot. [01:34:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:44] Speaker A: Next time, yes, we, we will be talking about Johnny Cash's American Recordings, released April 26, 1994. And this is the first album he did with Rick Rubin, Johnny Cash. This is our first country record on Sip and Mimos. [01:35:08] Speaker B: Johnny Cash. [01:35:10] Speaker A: Yes, sir. [01:35:11] Speaker B: I, I, I am at a, I'm at a loss. This is his cover album that he place out late in life. [01:35:22] Speaker A: Yes. So this is later career, Johnny. This is when he was working with Rick Rubin. It's a pretty much mainly acoustic album. He's got songs by Nick Lowe on there. Chris. Chris Sofferson. We talked about Glenn Danzig. Earlier, he's got a song by Danzig, Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits. This is a game changing album. A beautiful album, and I'm really, really excited to hear what your thoughts are. [01:35:58] Speaker B: How are you gonna drop this on me, man? [01:36:00] Speaker A: This is. This is us. This is an album made by a man facing his mortality. This is an album made by a man that has gone through the ringer and it's a. It's a beginning of the road to salvation for Johnny Cash. Super stoked. Just talk about it for the show, man. [01:36:24] Speaker B: Jake can't see my face because what the am I supposed to do against Johnny Cash? [01:36:31] Speaker A: I'd recommend listening to this album at dusk, solo, staring out a window, maybe drinking like a nice whiskey or an Elliot and just letting it wash over you. This is a gorgeous collection of songs and oh, man, I'm so excited. [01:36:51] Speaker B: Wow. Holy hell. Okay. I'm very excited to listen to that one. Oh, wow. Okay. I'm blown away. To combat that. Combat that. To compare and contrast that this might actually kind of work in a cool way. I thought we might finally approach Moby's play. [01:37:14] Speaker A: Oh. [01:37:15] Speaker B: Which is a gigantic album and it was big old deal in that world. Came out in 1999. There's a lot of samples and a lot of very, I would say, Johnny Cashian samples set to Moby's beautiful synth studies built. So I think that'll be fun to dive into. [01:37:40] Speaker A: Absolutely. And this is one of those rare occasions where I'm kind of familiar with this album big time. I can see the Johnny Cash type of vibe with it. And also, not for nothing, Gwen Stefani famously guest vocaled on a song on this record. So we'll be talking about the Queen Gwen Stefani next time. [01:38:08] Speaker B: Yeah, Gwen Stefani will return. This is like the end credits of a Thor movie. Yeah. We'll return on the next episode of Sipping Mimos. [01:38:17] Speaker A: Oh, I like that. [01:38:19] Speaker B: And I've got thoughts. I've got thoughts on that. I think, you know, Johnny Cash versus Moby. Oh, boy. I feel ill prepared. But. But excited. Johnny Cash is one of those guys that always felt daunting to dive into the discography. You know, I'm like, I don't know which. You know, there's a lot of best ofs and all this nonsense. Like, I don't know. I shall take your hand and I hope you will leave. I would hope you would lead me. [01:38:46] Speaker A: Through the famously one of the videos and I can't think of the name of it escaping me. 90s icon and let's be real Forever icon Christina Ricci stars in the video. She plays an angel, and thinking of that video reminds me of another 90s icon that I want to really, really showcase this season. So Christina Ricci starred in a movie called now and Then with one of my favorite actors, Devon Sawa. And as we've. As we've talked about on previous seasons, I would like to. As of today, Tuesday, January 31, 2023, I would like to extend this invitation to sir Devin Sawa to come on the show and Talk about the 90s with us. Pick an album. Devin Sawa, you are our season three crush, and I would not have it any other way. [01:40:05] Speaker B: Devin Sawa, your life is about to change because we're gonna. Because we're gonna follow you on Instagram now. Ethan Embry, you're out. You didn't respond to our dms. That's fine, Nev. You're out. [01:40:27] Speaker A: Adam Driver. [01:40:29] Speaker B: Adam Driver. He's. He's upstairs complaining about how long the pizza rolls have been taking because it's Adam this episode. Classic Adam. [01:40:40] Speaker A: Devin Sawa, I'm famously a huge fan of idle hands, so please come on the show and talk about idle hands. And that would be. That would be the bow on my life. [01:40:57] Speaker B: Devin Sawa, tell me about if you're actually afraid of trucks full of logs now, because that. Because those movies me up or Devin Sawa, like, if you get on a plane, do people get freaked out because of a final destination? I imagine they do. It must be hard for him to fly now, right? [01:41:17] Speaker A: I can. I can see that. [01:41:19] Speaker B: If Devin saw how it's on my plane, I'd be like, oh, oh, here we go again. Well, yeah. [01:41:31] Speaker A: Well, this was awesome. It was great. Talking about no doubt, isn't it? [01:41:38] Speaker B: I'm cutting you off. I'm just talking already. Sorry. [01:41:42] Speaker A: And I cannot wait to dive into Moby to. To what? Re. Welcome, Moby back to the podcast. [01:41:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:41:56] Speaker A: And. And to dive into Johnny Cash, finally. I know we kind of talked about bringing some country, and so I'm really excited to, like, dive into that and. [01:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah, super excited. Yeah, yeah. Very excited to dive in and Johnny Cash and revisit Moby's play. [01:42:14] Speaker A: Thank you for listening. If you've discovered the show from listening to us talk about Green Day or Prodigy or Sasha or, you know, Sugar Ray. Thank you for discovering our show and thank you for listening. I think I speak for Elliot and I. It really does mean the world that you've stumbled onto this show and given us a chance. So thank you. [01:42:37] Speaker B: We hope you've listened to the albums and like, experienced this and like, so we can talk about it and it makes sense to you. And I hope you're excited as us for the next episode every single time. Because I, I love it. And here we go. Johnny Cash and Moby. Well, we hope you enjoyed air and no doubt, until next time. [01:42:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Drop us a line at Sipping Mimospod at Gmail. Follow us on Instagram at Sipping Mimos Pod. Send us a message, let us know what you think. Recommend albums to us. I, you know, we would love that. So thank you for listening. And hey, for Sipping Mimos. Hey, Elliot. Say Sipping Stay. [01:43:24] Speaker B: Sipping Stay. [01:43:25] Speaker A: Sipping. You sexy boy. [01:43:27] Speaker B: Cling. Oh, I'm just a girl. [01:43:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Later, dude. [01:43:36] Speaker B: All right. [01:43:36] Speaker A: Later, buddy.