Students of Weird - Avril Lavigne vs DJ Shadow

[00:00:00] Speaker A: I feel like right before we get on, did you ever see the video of Jack Nicholson psyching himself up to in the Shining? In the Shining, here's Johnny scene. He's like, come on, come on. That's kind of what I do. Right before we record. I gotta get. [00:00:20] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what you do. Yeah. That poor. Was it, Is it Shelly Long? Is that her name? Yeah, that poor thing. [00:00:26] Speaker A: I know. [00:00:27] Speaker B: You know, he's not known as One Take Kubrick either, so. They did that for like weeks. [00:00:31] Speaker A: I, I read. Is it Shelly Long? I always kidding. [00:00:33] Speaker B: No, Shelly Winter Winters. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Shelly Duvall. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Duvall. [00:00:37] Speaker A: Duvall. Okay. [00:00:39] Speaker B: Who's Shelly Long? [00:00:40] Speaker A: Shelly Long played Mrs. Brady in the Brady Bunch movies. She was in Cheers. I think she played. Not Diane. Who is she? And Cheers. Oh my God. All the Cheers head Cheers heads out there are like screaming at their, at the radios right now. [00:01:00] Speaker B: Have we started yet, Diane? [00:01:01] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, we're rolling. Hey. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Oh, hey, hey. I'll like slowly fade that in our Cheers talk. Oh, hey, man. Cheers. [00:01:10] Speaker A: Cheers. [00:01:12] Speaker B: Blink foreign. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Welcome back. Welcome back to Cheers Talk. [00:01:30] Speaker B: I'm Elliot. [00:01:31] Speaker A: And I'm Jake. No, you know, I've never seen, I've never actually seen a full episode of Cheers. [00:01:37] Speaker B: Oh, really? Yeah, I'm more of a Frasier guy myself. I can dig on some Frasier. [00:01:42] Speaker A: I, same thing with Frazier. I was always too young for, for both. I remember my, I remember my mom watching those, but I think I, I was too young. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Now that you're old as, you should check out Frazier. It's really fun. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Now that I'm six now, now that I just turned, you know, 60, 60 something. I'm ready to go back. [00:02:03] Speaker B: Oh boy. How you been, Jake? [00:02:06] Speaker A: Doing okay? [00:02:09] Speaker B: Wow, we're a little rusty, guys. It's hot out. It's like 120 degrees. Real feel here in Texas. It's so I'm wearing a tank top, I'm embarrassed to buy it. Our brains just get baked all day and then we sit down to talk tunes and all that. And so we get a little rusty. [00:02:29] Speaker A: I literally got like disoriented walking from the grocery store to my car today. [00:02:36] Speaker B: Like parking lots, bro. [00:02:38] Speaker A: I like, I, I, I was like shaking. I'm like, man, it's, it's really intense. So stay cool out there. Please stay cool. [00:02:45] Speaker B: A really good way to stay cool is to step on a memo and we should say, welcome to Sipping Mimos. It's not actually a Cheers show. It's a show where Jake and I. Oh, do you want to do it? [00:02:57] Speaker A: That's good though. You're on fire. Go for it. [00:02:59] Speaker B: Oh, it's a show where, well, Jake and I, Elliot, we. We have Elliot and we wait. I. Elliot, I, I. You're. You're. You're ruining my flow. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Sorry, sorry, sorry. You're hot, you're hot. Go for it. All right. [00:03:14] Speaker B: Energy. Jake and I give each other a homework assignment of an album from the 90s. Usually, Jake likes radio rock. I like electronica. We compare and contrast and have a good old time doing. So. How's that? [00:03:28] Speaker A: That was good. [00:03:30] Speaker B: Give your proper spiel. You have like a defined thing. [00:03:34] Speaker A: No, that was good. Let's do like. Can we do like a take two? [00:03:37] Speaker B: Yeah, we can do take two. Okay. Kubrick over here wants another take. [00:03:42] Speaker A: Yeah, we're gonna go. We're gonna do this 60 times. [00:03:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Until we get it right. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Welcome back to Sip Mimos, the Internet's premier audio podcast wherein my partner Elliot and I discuss 90s rock and electronica albums. Sometimes, but not always while sipping on a delicious mimosa. Elliot, how have you been? [00:04:08] Speaker B: I've been all right, man. End of discussion. Moving on. All right. No, I've been. Well, my kid turned 2 and guess who came to the party? Jake did. [00:04:23] Speaker A: I had the great honor of being there. It was, it was wonderful. Seeing you in dad mode is something that I haven't had the pleasure of seeing. [00:04:32] Speaker B: I know. I was way too overdue long ago. [00:04:35] Speaker A: It was beautiful daughter is the cutest, sweetest little girl. And it was, it was a total pleasure being there. [00:04:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it was great to have you. The kid's really into Moana. It's like her favorite thing. That and Frozen. And Jake brought the little stuffed pig like Pua, and she like sleeps with it every night. It's the sweetest thing. [00:04:55] Speaker A: It was funny, Elliot. I texted Elliot and I said, okay. So what kind of things does your daughter like? I think I asked, like, what is she into? You know? [00:05:05] Speaker B: Yeah, what's. What's her deal? What's this kid's deal? [00:05:08] Speaker A: Elliot was like frozen, Moana and books. And I thought, okay, awesome. So everything I, as a 34 year old man am into, I love it. [00:05:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I sent a picture of me and the daughter listening to records and I'm wearing bunny ears. [00:05:27] Speaker A: That's so cute. It's pretty cool when you play records. Is there like, what, what does she do when, like, you put that. Put the record on and it spins? Is there like any, like, is there like a wonderment? What happens? [00:05:43] Speaker B: She's very curious and she Just starts pushing all the buttons on the amplifier and twist the knobs. [00:05:50] Speaker A: She just starts scratching. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Back again. Yeah. [00:05:58] Speaker A: So the question was, do I have any Disney vinyl? I do. I didn't realize I had this many. I have the Rescuers, one of my top five favorite Disney movies of all time. [00:06:11] Speaker B: Rescuers 1 or 2 down under. [00:06:14] Speaker A: 1. [00:06:14] Speaker B: Okay. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Even though Rescuers down under, one of the mice's name was Jake, and I always thought that was cool. [00:06:20] Speaker B: Oh, that sounded more Liverpool, but all right. He sounded like Paul McCartney from Australia. [00:06:27] Speaker A: That's. That's it right there. The Fox and the Hound. Do you want to build a Snowman 45? [00:06:37] Speaker B: Wow. [00:06:38] Speaker A: Tron Legacy. [00:06:39] Speaker B: Sure, sure. [00:06:40] Speaker A: A Goofy Movie. Coco, Lion King. I have. It turns out I have a lot of Disney vinyl. [00:06:46] Speaker B: How about that? And you got Moana, don't you? [00:06:48] Speaker A: Huh? [00:06:49] Speaker B: Cool. [00:06:50] Speaker A: That Moana picture disc. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Lin Manuel Miranda, man. [00:06:54] Speaker A: I know that dude can write. Yeah, that dude can write a catchy song. [00:06:59] Speaker B: That Dwayne Johnson, you're welcome tune is Pretty Fire. [00:07:03] Speaker A: I mean, when Jermaine Clement sings. [00:07:10] Speaker B: Yeah. The Bowie tune, Don't Should Know, he's like, doing his Bowie impression. It's pretty great. [00:07:14] Speaker A: What does he do? And he's like. He says something like, oh, that's bioluminescent algae or something like that. I haven't seen Moana Made it, but. [00:07:23] Speaker B: I see it about three times a week. But like, the. The. The. I've been standing Staring at the water. That song. Like. Like. Oh, boy. Tearing up a little bit. [00:07:37] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:07:38] Speaker B: Speaking of tearing up to animated movies. What's that? I saw across the Spider Verse. [00:07:44] Speaker A: Oh, how was it? [00:07:45] Speaker B: Is that the title? Across the Spider Verse. And then we have beyond coming in two years, right? Yeah. Because it was into and Now Across. I could have given them notes on these titles, frankly, but I feel like. [00:07:58] Speaker A: There'S too many rises in superhero movies and pop culture. So you have, like, Rise of the Machines. Then you have Darkness, Skywalker, Rise of Skywalker, Evil Dead Rise. [00:08:13] Speaker B: What is it about the Rises thing? [00:08:15] Speaker A: I don't know. Maybe it's one of those things where it's. It's a word that. It evokes something in. In the public, like Rise. It's a very dramatic word. I don't know. [00:08:26] Speaker B: The Fire Rises. [00:08:27] Speaker A: Which one? Oh, B. [00:08:29] Speaker B: That's right. Oh, that's. They're expecting one of us in the wreckage, brother. It's not great. [00:08:37] Speaker A: That's pretty good. [00:08:38] Speaker B: Tom Hardy. Let's. Let's cover. Let's cover up the most beautiful mouth in Hollywood with this Crazy crab face mask. [00:08:45] Speaker A: I know. I was just talking about Dark Knight Rises with a friend. I, I, I, I want to go back and rewatch that one. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Boy, that one's. [00:08:54] Speaker A: It's divisive. [00:08:56] Speaker B: I'm psyched for Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Oppenheimer. That's gonna be. That's gonna be intense. Yeah, but, man, that, that cast is just. [00:09:06] Speaker B: Sure. [00:09:07] Speaker A: They're saying this is gonna be Killian Cillian. [00:09:11] Speaker B: I believe it's Killian. [00:09:12] Speaker A: Killian. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Oh, but spider verse was great. It was good. [00:09:16] Speaker A: Sorry. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was good. [00:09:20] Speaker A: Good. I. We haven't seen it. Last thing we saw. We've been. We've been going back and watching all the Twilights. [00:09:30] Speaker B: Huh. [00:09:31] Speaker A: Never seen them. And my wife was like, let's watch Twilight, and. Sure, okay. And there's something I'm. I'm happy to. To finally know and see and know. I don't think I understand, but be able to see what was such a big part of pop culture for such a long time. [00:09:53] Speaker B: I heard the last couple ones get pretty wild. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Like, pretty violent and crazy. [00:09:59] Speaker A: They'll have, like, moments of just, like, straight up, just like a vampire would just, like, twist another vampire's head off, and you're like, oh, like, wow. Out of nowhere. Did you. [00:10:09] Speaker B: Did you finish up all the paranormal. Paranormal Activity movies? [00:10:13] Speaker A: So the only one I haven't watched. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Jumped Ship. [00:10:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I had the last two. As far as scary movie goes, scary movies go. I watched Evil Dead Rise, which I previously mentioned. [00:10:27] Speaker B: A neighbor, like, knocked on my door last night and asked me if I would watch it with him because he got scared. And I said, like, I don't want to watch that. It's kids in trouble. I don't want to see that. Was it. Was it terrifying? [00:10:38] Speaker A: No, I mean, it was. It wasn't too bad. The newer ones are just kind of like, just supplemental to those original Bruce Campbell ones. I mean, just. Those are just so great. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:51] Speaker A: Particularly two and two. N3. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Army of Darkness. Yeah. I remember I caught the, like, the re. Reboot. Half reboot. Evil Dead or, like, the Evil Dead, they called it. Whatever. And I was like, oh, this is, like, taking it too seriously. And I'm just, like, bummed out now. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Where that first one was, like, such a genius balance of, like, comedy and horror. This one's just kind of like, you know, horror, horror, horror. Scary. Scary. You know, a sort of joke and then horror, you know, just, like, nastiness. [00:11:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:23] Speaker A: The makeup looked cool. I mean, it. I feel like it was a Lot of the same stuff as the one from, I guess, 2013. God, you know, 10 years ago now. The remake with Jane. Jane Levy with the. The yellow contacts with the black. Black peoples. It's always like with the scary eyes thing. [00:11:44] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, you get, you get a thing about scary eyes. Yeah, I remember that. [00:11:48] Speaker A: But it was okay. I feel like, honestly, it was a. It was a case of. I'd seen. I'd seen enough of like, the previews and screenshots of it, you know, in the past, like five, six months leading up to it, that during the movie I was like, okay, like, I'm not scared of that anymore. Like, I can't tell you how many times, like I was up on like Instagram late at night and I would scroll up and there'd be like the main monster from Evil Dead. So I was kind of desensitized to it. But it. I mean, yeah, I think I gave it like one and a half, one letterboxd. [00:12:27] Speaker B: The flash bombed. Bombed. I haven't seen it. And now I'm like, oh, really? It's not even like, fun. [00:12:35] Speaker A: A friend of mine somehow got preview preview tickets. [00:12:40] Speaker B: What? [00:12:40] Speaker A: To see it about two weeks before it came out, which is weird. We didn't have to sign like an indie or anything. I thought we would have to. [00:12:47] Speaker B: You went, uh huh, bro. Oh, Steve, you saw it? You saw. Two weeks before it premiered. You didn't. You didn't even like, text me a review or anything? [00:12:57] Speaker A: I was gonna. I was, I was saving it for, for the show. [00:13:00] Speaker B: Okay, well, let's hear it then. Yeah. Okay. That seems to be the consensus. They're already like, it'll be streaming in three weeks. [00:13:11] Speaker A: Yeah, like next month. [00:13:12] Speaker B: They're like, sorry, guys, we're just gonna put it online. Like, wow, it was so hyped. [00:13:18] Speaker A: It got pushed back like, what, four years? [00:13:21] Speaker B: Yeah, like a lot. [00:13:23] Speaker A: It was a really awesome experience to be able to see a preview screening because I'd never done anything like that before. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:29] Speaker A: And there were some. There were some kind of cool things, but like, man, I feel like. I feel like so much of like the Snyderverse dc. Like, like the cgi. It's just. It doesn't. It looks bad, you know, Like, I heard it. [00:13:45] Speaker B: I heard it looks pretty weird. [00:13:46] Speaker A: It does. And I mean, it was cool seeing Michael Keaton again. [00:13:51] Speaker B: Yeah. But it wasn't enough to save the movie. [00:13:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Damn, what a letdown. [00:13:57] Speaker A: There was a really cool thing at the end that I think. I think. I think might. Might be fun. And we'll have to. [00:14:04] Speaker B: I think it's been spoiled for me. I was like, after. Like, the reviews were coming out, like, oh, it's not that great. I think I know what it is. Is it the. Is it Clooney? Is that the cool thing? All right. But, like, all right. [00:14:16] Speaker A: I loved it. [00:14:19] Speaker B: I heard they, like. I heard they, like, begged and begged and pleaded for Christian Bale, and he was like, no, just absolutely. [00:14:25] Speaker A: Really? [00:14:26] Speaker B: Like, wouldn't that be cooler, like, if Christian Bale showed up at the end? Come on. But what are you gonna do? The whole universe is falling apart and rebooting anyways. [00:14:34] Speaker A: I know. It'll be interesting to see what James Gunn does with it. [00:14:37] Speaker B: They just cast Superman. [00:14:39] Speaker A: Yeah. And Lois Lane. It's. [00:14:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:43] Speaker A: Plays Ms. Maisel. Marvelous. The marvelous Ms. Maisel. [00:14:48] Speaker B: Is it. Is that Lois? Oh, okay. Who's the dude? Who is Superman? [00:14:53] Speaker A: He is. [00:14:55] Speaker B: He looks like every other dude on TV right now. [00:14:58] Speaker A: Rachel Brosnahan. Brosnahan. [00:15:02] Speaker B: That's Ms. Mabel. [00:15:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So she's gonna be Lois Lane. [00:15:07] Speaker B: I've heard that show's great. [00:15:08] Speaker A: Oh, it's killer cool. Written by the same folks who do Gilmore Girls or who did Gilmore Girls. [00:15:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:17] Speaker A: And the actor playing is David. Corn Sweat. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Corn Sweat. That can't be right. [00:15:26] Speaker A: Corn Sweat. C O R E N S W E T. Corn. Sweet. [00:15:33] Speaker B: Someone just sent me the announcement. [00:15:35] Speaker A: Oh, he was in. He was in Pearl. [00:15:38] Speaker B: Pearl. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Have you seen those Pearl movies? The. [00:15:41] Speaker B: Oh, no. I know what you're talking about. I heard they're pretty cool. [00:15:45] Speaker A: I liked. I liked X a little bit more. [00:15:48] Speaker B: Corin. Sweat. I heard those pro movies are cool, but maybe. Maybe a little too scary for me. I don't know. [00:15:55] Speaker A: We'll see. Yeah. I'm excited. I think it'll be cool. James Gunn seems like he knows what he's doing and will fight for his. His vision. And I think that's important for. For superhero movies when you have big studios pushing for an agenda. You know, universe building, that kind of thing. [00:16:18] Speaker B: I trust him. I. I caught Guardians 3 since we last recorded. I. I enjoyed it a great deal. [00:16:24] Speaker A: Okay, okay. Okay. [00:16:25] Speaker B: Crying a lot. What? Okay. [00:16:27] Speaker A: Okay. So do you remember. Spoiler alert for guardians 3? Do you remember at the end when Groot says, I love you guys? [00:16:38] Speaker B: I do. I remember that. [00:16:39] Speaker A: Okay. Did you hear the theory about why. Why you could understand it? [00:16:44] Speaker B: Because we can. [00:16:45] Speaker A: Huh? [00:16:46] Speaker B: Because we. Because we all know Groot now. [00:16:48] Speaker A: Yes. Because we're part of the Guardians of the Galaxy. [00:16:50] Speaker B: That's right. How cool is that? [00:16:53] Speaker A: I love that. [00:16:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Which wish, if you were to Reverse engineer that theory. At the end of the first Guardians when he says, we are Groot and we kind of don't understand what he means, that's us, like lesson number one and learning how to learn Groot. Oh, come on. Yeah. When he's like, I love you guys. It's great. [00:17:09] Speaker A: Oh. [00:17:09] Speaker B: And right before that, Gamora is on the balcony wherever. He's like, I am Groot. She's like, yeah, I'll be in in a second. And she, like, looks at herself. She's like, oh, I, I, I can understand him. That's amazing. That's some good shit. How about that hallway fight scene? Oh, there's like a six minute long, one shot insanity of the Guardians. Just like decimating. It's so violent. I don't know how they didn't get an R rating. I think they're just like, gun can do whatever you want. This is his last hurrah and, like, we fucked up and he's going to D.C. now and he will be our competition moving forward. But, like, let him, let him go nuts on this one. I have one note on that fight scene, which is incredible. It's set to no sleep till Brooklyn. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:17:50] Speaker B: I think it would have been cooler if it was just no music whatsoever. Yeah, it would have been more impactful, I think. But that's just my note. And I know, like, the whole needle drop thing is kind of the whole idea behind Guardians. It's, it's, it's a, it's a motif. But like, let's see. To Brooklyn is like a party anthem and like, they're slaughtering these people. Like, there's a different song for that. I don't know. [00:18:15] Speaker A: I think it would have been maybe like something not so, like, on the nose. Like, maybe. [00:18:20] Speaker B: What if, what if it was Master of Puppets or something like that? Like, that would have been sick, but, like, you know, a little. Something a little more aggressive, I guess. It's a pretty metal Beastie Boys tune, but, you know. [00:18:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I really liked it. I was really worried, you know, like, I, I'm, I'm that guy who, you know, I, I don't want to see. Like, I remember freaking out that they were going to kill off Chewbacca in Rise of Skywalker. [00:18:49] Speaker B: There were two ships, bro. [00:18:53] Speaker A: As we say, somehow that movie, you know. But like, I, I'm, I'm that person that, like, gets, like, you know, emotionally attached to these fictional characters and I'm just like, I don't want to see him die. [00:19:07] Speaker B: You're supposed to be Attached. Yeah, that's the whole idea. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Speaking of, are you excited for this Indiana Jones? [00:19:14] Speaker B: Nope. [00:19:15] Speaker A: What? [00:19:15] Speaker B: Moving on. [00:19:17] Speaker A: All right. [00:19:19] Speaker B: I was thinking back, though. I saw, like, the trailer again or whatever, and I was thinking back to that. You remember that time when we were all hanging out and friend Anthony has never seen Indiana Jones? Any Indiana Jones movie. [00:19:30] Speaker A: Oh, like the Drum Go Cut. [00:19:31] Speaker B: We did the Drum Go Cut. Well remembered. We want to tell the listeners what the Drum Go Cut is. How to introduce someone to indie. [00:19:39] Speaker A: So if I was going to introduce someone to the world of Banana Jones, you know. Well, if. So, if you're familiar with. Familiar with the franchise. It starts off. I forget, 1930. 1933, maybe. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Well, the movie came out afterwards. They were hanging on to the footage of the real events for a while. [00:19:54] Speaker A: That's right. That's right. Okay. It's based in 19. Hold on. That's gonna. That's gonna bother me. Let me see, will it. [00:20:03] Speaker B: The opening of Raiders is, you know, give me the idol, I'll give you the whip. It's the sandbag thing when he moves the idol. It's great. The big ball. [00:20:12] Speaker A: Okay. 1936. Okay, so you feel better now? I feel better now. So. Okay. So the first Indiana Jones. Well, I guess it's just Raiders of the Lost Ark takes place in 1936. The second movie in the franchise, Temple of Doom, takes place in four. Exactly. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:32] Speaker A: It's actually a prequel. It takes place in 1935 because they. [00:20:36] Speaker B: Didn'T want him hooking up with anyone after Marian was so effective. [00:20:40] Speaker A: And then the third one, my personal favorite, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, takes place. Oh, it's one that's my favorite in 1938. [00:20:52] Speaker B: But we open before. [00:20:54] Speaker A: In 1912. Yeah. He's played by River Phoenix. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Jake has a marker board he's whipped out behind him, and he's drawn a diagram for me. Like, I get it. [00:21:04] Speaker A: I'm doing the pet pe. Sylvia thing from It's Always Sunny. But, like, how I would do it is I would start off with, like, the first, like, 15, 20 minutes of last Crusade when he's a. He's a teenager and he gets the. [00:21:17] Speaker B: And he gets the. The hat. [00:21:19] Speaker A: Fedora. The fedora. [00:21:19] Speaker B: Fedora. Thank you. I was trying to find that. [00:21:23] Speaker A: And then from there, I would show the entirety of Temple of Doom. Then I would show Raiders. [00:21:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:31] Speaker A: Then I would do Last Crusade, and. [00:21:34] Speaker B: That'S the last movie they made. And they didn't do anything else. [00:21:37] Speaker A: That was it. It was a perfect trilogy, actually. I would probably do the first like 20 minutes of crystal Skull, because I find that very entertaining. [00:21:48] Speaker B: I liked the beginning, too. It's not that bad of a movie, really. We've had worse. It's better than Rise of Skywalker. Yeah, I'll say that. I don't know people on that movie too much, I think. [00:21:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I think a lot of it was, you know, I think. I think maybe like, as. [00:22:01] Speaker B: As a. [00:22:01] Speaker A: As a society, we were getting maybe burned out on Shia LaBeouf. [00:22:04] Speaker B: Maybe it was Le Buff fatigue. [00:22:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a lot of Shia. [00:22:11] Speaker B: And it was a. It was so many years later that a new generation was being introduced to this character. And they're like, why is this old man swinging on ropes? I don't get it. And so it didn't. It just didn't read. So I don't. I've heard mixed reviews of this new one coming out. I'm not terribly excited to see it, so. [00:22:28] Speaker A: See, I. I am. I. I like. I love Harrison Ford. I think he's maybe top five actors for me. As I've gotten older, I think I've started to, like, really appreciate Harrison Ford is. As a personality, as an actor. But I'm excited. I'm optimistic. He's fighting Nazis again, which is what you want to see Indiana Jones. Do you know what I'm saying? [00:22:49] Speaker B: Is that right? Is he, though? This is confirmed. [00:22:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Mads Mickelson, I think, is. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Oh, Mads is dope. He's a good actor. [00:22:58] Speaker A: The main baddie. He plays a great bad guy. [00:23:00] Speaker B: I'll catch it eventually. [00:23:02] Speaker A: So 1945. That's. When does that timeline add up? [00:23:07] Speaker B: That doesn't sound right, because it's been way longer in his timeline. Right. When did. What year was Crystal Skull taking place in? [00:23:14] Speaker A: That's in the 50s, because they're doing the Cold War, and Russia's the bad. [00:23:18] Speaker B: Guy in the nukes and all that. Yeah, they nuke the fridge, famously. [00:23:23] Speaker A: Yes. [00:23:24] Speaker B: It would have to be after that, then. So before it would be. Is it set before Crystal Skull? [00:23:30] Speaker A: So Crystal Skull is set in 1957. [00:23:34] Speaker B: Okay. [00:23:35] Speaker A: So unless he's. It's like some, like, you know, secret, like, sect of, like, you know, Nazis hiding and trying to, like, start it back up again or it's sometime between Last Crusade and Crystal Skull. [00:23:54] Speaker B: Man, why'd they have to go and make things so complicated? [00:23:59] Speaker A: Are you. Are you ready? [00:24:02] Speaker B: If you want. [00:24:03] Speaker A: Let's do it. Okay. [00:24:06] Speaker B: That was pretty good, right? It was sitting right there. I know you loved the transitions yourself. [00:24:12] Speaker A: But that's so funny. I was actually gonna I was gonna do something with complicated or Let Go, but that, that's. That just was perfect. [00:24:21] Speaker B: I think you need to maybe let go of your fandom a little bit. This isn't gonna be good. [00:24:25] Speaker A: Let. Let go of my own mythology? [00:24:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:31] Speaker A: All right, well, let's dive in. [00:24:33] Speaker B: All right, here we go. Oh, here. Here we go. [00:24:54] Speaker A: He was a boy, she was a girl Can I make it any more obvious? He was a punk, she did ballet what more can I say? He wanted her, she'd never tell Secretly she wanted him as well but all other friends stuck up their nose and they had a problem with his baggy clothes he was a skater boy she said, see you later, boy he wasn't good enough Elliot. [00:25:25] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:25:27] Speaker A: So in 2002. [00:25:29] Speaker B: Oh, right. We are going to 2002. This episode. We're usually in the 90s and we're going back to the future like we've done occasionally. [00:25:36] Speaker A: We've got that dial of destiny. [00:25:38] Speaker B: Hey, well done. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Cranked up to 2002, an album dropped by a Canadian singer songwriter by the name of Avril Lavigne. And this album is called Let Go. Elia, what were your thoughts on Avril Lavigne's Let Go? [00:25:58] Speaker B: I was. This one's kind of surprised me, right, because I. I knew Skater boy. I remember when this was a big old deal and she was on the scene a lot, like. And when she was rocking up mtv, I think, like, you know, some, like, my sister might have been into her certainly took some fashion cues and, you know, she was, you know, one of these pop idols. I certainly didn't, like, go out of my way to listen to the album when it came out, 2002, I was in college. I was like, getting into the White Stripes and shit like that, you know, I remember Skater Boy. I'm like, oh, that's a fun pop tune. And, you know, listen back to that one. I'm like, yeah, this is kind of fun. And then to my surprise, like, the rest of the album, it's like a lot of ballads and, like, there's a lot of. I heard a lot of Atlantis on this, you know. Yeah, the Canada of it all. I heard some Natalie Ambria on it, hence the Natalie and Bria tank top I'm wearing today. I was really surprised by the high tech production. Like, this isn't, like a punk album. Like, there's a lot of, like, bleeps and bloops going on here and. And, you know, a lot of, like, electronic drums. And the production is real sleek and slick even Tell me about the origins of this lady. [00:27:13] Speaker A: So, okay, so my research kind of stemmed from just, you know, browsing around the Internet and watching. I think I've mentioned the Punk Rock NBA. It's a YouTube show put on by my favorite YouTuber. His name is Finn McKenzie. He did a great video on Avril. A lot of my research is from those sources, but to my knowledge, so. Avril Lavigne, born in Ontario, she's child prodigy. Her parents realized early on that this girl can sing. They would have her sing in church. She started an open mic. She actually grew up idolizing Shania Twain. And when she, when she was like 14, 12 or 14, she won a radio competition and actually got to sing with Shania Twain. [00:27:59] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Who is, you know, one of the biggest Canadian slash, you know, any slash North American singers of all time, you. [00:28:10] Speaker B: Know, you know, she's got some jammies. [00:28:12] Speaker A: Yeah. So grew up idolizing shy Twain. She wants to be the star. You know, she wants to be like a famous singer. She gets discovered at a bookstore playing country songs and signs with Arista Records with LA Reid. He's a very influential, very powerful record execration. And they want. [00:28:37] Speaker B: I heard she played for like 15 minutes in front of the execs and they gave her the deal, like, and she was like 16. And they just like on site signed her. [00:28:44] Speaker A: Absolutely. It's like $1.25 million. [00:28:48] Speaker B: Gave her a $900,000 signing bonus at 16. [00:28:53] Speaker A: What were you doing at 16? I was watching the Simpsons in my underwear. [00:28:57] Speaker B: I was like digging up anime VHS and jerking off a lot. Like $900,000 would have ruined my life. [00:29:06] Speaker A: Like, and, and what's, what's really fascinating and it really, you know, so they wanted, they wanted Avril to be this like kind of a country singer. They wanted, they said like Faith Hill meets Cheryl Crow. [00:29:19] Speaker B: I heard the Faith Hill thing a lot. Yeah. [00:29:21] Speaker A: But while she was in high school in Canada, she, she was friends with a lot of the skate skating crowd, which. And skating music is, you know, not always, but kind of like the activity of choice for punk rockers. [00:29:36] Speaker B: You know, you're, you're Cali boys. [00:29:39] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, it's not, it's not limited to, but you know, listen to the Tony Hawk pro Skater soundtrack and it's all punk rock. You know, she, she had this interest in this like more, more rock sound and kind of put her foot down. From what I understand, the album originally was like really over produced and had a bunch of like electronic drums and she was like, no Like, I want to be more rock. And they trusted her and they let her. They let her do what she wanted to do at 16. T. Mac. Oh. You know, like, I can't. [00:30:17] Speaker B: Pretty wild. And she drops out of high school with a million dollars and, like, moves to California and like, I guess for two years tried to find producers that got her vision, Right? That's the story. [00:30:30] Speaker A: She hooks up with a writing team called the Matrix. [00:30:33] Speaker B: The Matrix, which. [00:30:35] Speaker A: I could have sworn these folks, like, came up with our electronica, one of our electronica discussions. [00:30:43] Speaker B: But I looked into him and I didn't recognize the names. [00:30:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, same. I was like, okay. [00:30:49] Speaker B: But they worked with, like, a bunch of. They went on to work with, like, a bunch of pop guys in court. [00:30:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. A previous episode, I think the first episode, Inaugural. So this album comes out and it's a hit. I remember my earliest memories of Let Go. I was in seventh or eighth grade, and I was talking to a friend, fellas, you know, a girl. And she. I was like, what do you. You know, I was. I just burned, like, a Blink 22 CD and. Oh, do you like. Do you listen to Ab Roll? And, you know, and I was like, at the time, I probably would have, like, stuck my nose up at this. Because he was just like, what? You know, And I like. I go, no, I don't. I remember her saying, like, her lyrics are so good. Good. She's so good. And that. That memory, gosh, that was, what, 21 years ago now? That memory stuck with me. I wish I could have gotten, like, someone who. Who listened to this album, like a female who. Who listened to Sound back then to get their opinion on. [00:31:57] Speaker B: Lived an experience. [00:31:58] Speaker A: Experience, yeah. You know, because I can talk all. I can talk all day. How much these songs kick ass. Because they do. But I can imagine it. It was really big for girls to hear Avril singing this pop punk music, pop rock music, and think, oh, I could do this, you know? [00:32:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:17] Speaker A: So I. I think there's a direct line kind of like from Gwen. We talked about Gwen to Haley Williams and Paramore. But, I mean, Admiral's right there. She's very, very influential, for sure. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, like, I was expecting it to be, like, angsty pop punk, but it's really more empowering pop and like, ballady rock stuff. Like, it's not like parents just don't understand life is hard. It's more like. Like, I'm badass. And you're about to find out why. Like, the ending of Skateboard, like, shook me, like. Like, I hadn't listened to the lyrics in quite some time. Like you know, he's just a skater boy. She said see you later boy. He wasn't good enough for her. And then like the final like reprise is like he's a skater boy now he's with me like and you got tickets to the show. And I watch like he's more than a friend. We're in love now. Eat shit you dumb. Because he didn't see how cool he was at the time. And like that's a cool story story like and, but it's also like you know, kind of like a revenge but like for a 16 year old to hear that it's like yeah, like it is cool like to be in these like on the outskirts like you know, punky rebellious groups and all that. And like you like watch what happens, you know. You know, you a little like, you know, Britney Spears blonde, like cool girls. Like let's. We'll see how our lives go because I'm in like we're gonna go somewhere cool. Because this is where the heart is somehow. [00:33:52] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:53] Speaker A: And I, I, you know, was real listening to lyrics on, on this round because you know, thinking back to my friend from eighth grade, you know, and there's a lot of really, I think really positive messages in this one for any listener but particularly for, for girls like maybe looking to find their own identity maybe you know, like. And I think one of the songs with that message is Anything but Ordinary. I, I was like shook by, by that one by the message of this. I think it's like I don't, I'd rather be anything but ordinary, you know. And yeah, I think that that's just so cool that they're, that this album existed and you know, maybe hope maybe was that that thing that got, you know, that introduced you know, girls to pop punk, my probably my favorite genre of music, you know, because when you think about pop punk it is very much a, a male dominated genre. Kind of like you know, unfortunately and every, any type of rock and roll, I mean it's always like guys singing about how girl screwed them over or my girlfriend cheated on me or I don't want to grow up or you know, it's stuff like that. It's always from that male perspective. But you didn't get, you got something different from Let Go. And that's why I think it's, it's a really special, really special piece of. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Art for sure really dug skater boy. Still. I think it's just a fun pop, pop jam. [00:35:21] Speaker A: It's a perfect pop song. [00:35:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I throw that on any old time at the club, people will go nuts. Especially, you know, people in our generations. I always forget how apart we are in age. [00:35:33] Speaker A: Well, I, I mean I'm only 28 years older than you, so, you know. [00:35:40] Speaker B: Oh, right. Because you're. [00:35:41] Speaker A: I just turned 68, so. [00:35:44] Speaker B: Yeah. When you see the new Anna Jones trailer, you're like, we used to have them. We called them cereals. [00:35:50] Speaker A: They played before the movie. [00:35:52] Speaker B: Just like. [00:35:52] Speaker A: I wish I had the Dial of Destiny, you know. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Oh, I liked I'm with you. I heard this one before and it's like a cool. I. I really enjoyed the melodies on it. It was a nice ballad. [00:36:05] Speaker A: The. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. [00:36:09] Speaker B: There'S that, there's that Alanis kind of thing going on. Right? [00:36:12] Speaker A: A lot of. A lot of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In this one, which, yeah. [00:36:16] Speaker B: Kind of stuff, you know, kind of. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Caught me off guard. [00:36:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I heard a bit. Heard a bit more like Jewel vocals than Stefani vocals. Like. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:36:27] Speaker B: There's always like the like cool like power pop guitars behind everything. But like she's like, she is singing and she's not. And there's like the one kind of awkward tune where she raps a little bit. [00:36:38] Speaker A: Which. [00:36:39] Speaker B: Which one was that? It was kind of cute. I liked Unwanted, but that's when like the production started throwing me off. And like, I know she really wanted like this, you know, pop punk thing going on, but it reminded me like with like the little synth like beat boops of it all. It reminded me of like a William Orbit production. The guy from Ray of Light. [00:36:59] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:37:00] Speaker B: Like. And like put into acoustic guitar all of a sudden, then way back into like the slammy jammy pop punk stuff. I'm like. And then like. But in between like on like the little breakdowns and everything, there's like. I don't know what the Matrix is doing necessarily, but it sounds a lot like William Morgan bit. [00:37:15] Speaker A: This thing sounds slick. Like you said earlier. I. I personally thought the. So skater, skater boy, iconic. I'm with you. An amazing ballad. But you start off this three song sequence of bangers with possibly. I don't know if it's her most iconic song because she's. I mean she's been around. She's over a 20 year career, I think I. I saw 40 million albums sold. [00:37:47] Speaker B: Platinum seven times. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Her most recent album, Love Sucks is really good. [00:37:54] Speaker B: When did that come out? I was wondering what she's been up to lately. [00:37:58] Speaker A: Two years ago. [00:38:00] Speaker B: Oh, wow. She's still kicking, huh? [00:38:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. She's probably more relevant than ever. And I think. I think it's because a lot of people are realizing, like, oh, yeah, like she's the queen, you know, like, when it comes to, like when it comes to pop punk. Avril Lavigne, she did so much for the genre. But I like, you start off this three song sequence with Complicated. [00:38:22] Speaker B: With Complicated. Oh, you don't like that opening track, Losing? [00:38:27] Speaker A: Oh, no, I love Losing Grip. [00:38:28] Speaker B: No, you hate it, don't you? [00:38:30] Speaker A: I hate it. I hated it. [00:38:31] Speaker B: I think it's a pretty cool opener, man. Like, oh, we're setting, but it's oddly sequenced because we like the energy, like kind of drops, like. Okay. But yeah, go on. [00:38:42] Speaker A: I would probably put Skater Boy second or maybe even opened with Skater Boy. [00:38:48] Speaker B: I would close the album with Complicated. There's a lot of tracks in here. 13 tracks. That feels ambitious. [00:38:54] Speaker A: Yeah. But Complicated. I remember, so. I remember vividly the music video for it. She's like running around with her band in the mall. In the mall, they're skateboarding. [00:39:06] Speaker B: I. I thought I said it was. I wrote down it was kind of cringy, but. And it made me wonder, like, wait, was she like a. Like a Disney kid or something? I didn't know. Like, like, does she have act and acting back? Was she a child actor or something like that? [00:39:20] Speaker A: Nah, she was. She. She was just, you know, you know, singer, songwriter from Canada. That. But yeah, it's very cringey. Very of its time. Those are the music videos, like, running around, like, being dumb with your friends. Yeah, yeah. So it was. It was fun to go back and revisit that. But I sent you a video for supplemental listening slash viewing. [00:39:44] Speaker B: Yes, you did good to check it out. I sure did. Jake sent me a video of Avril and her band covering Fuel by Metallica. Oh, what was the context for this? Because Metallica was in the audience. They kept cutting to them. They're like, whoa, what is this, like some Metallica party? [00:40:05] Speaker A: It was a MTV icon that they did. It was 2003 and it was just like they did. They had a bunch of bands covering Metallica songs for this icon show. And Corn was on there. Corn did. [00:40:21] Speaker B: Covering Metallica. [00:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. One by Metallica. Limp Bizkit did welcome Home Sanitarium and Avril did Yule, which is a kick ass song. What'd you think? [00:40:35] Speaker B: I dug it. I dug a lot. Yeah. Dug it. [00:40:37] Speaker A: It was pretty cool, right? [00:40:38] Speaker B: And like, they kept on cutting to the band, like. And each one of Them are like, oh, my God. Hell yeah. Like, yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah. Well done. [00:40:46] Speaker A: I think that that probably sold a lot of people on. On Apple because, you know, when was. [00:40:52] Speaker B: That show where, like on the timeline, is it 2003? [00:40:56] Speaker A: So year, you know, maybe a year after Let Go came out. [00:41:00] Speaker B: So she's. [00:41:01] Speaker A: She's hot. Like, you know, she's a big old deal. [00:41:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:41:07] Speaker A: But yeah, Avril, you know, she's gonna follow. Like, she follows. She follows Let Go with Under My Skin, which is another total banger. That one comes out in 2004. She. She continues to go more and more pop. You probably familiar with her song, uh, Girlfriend. The. Hey, hey, you, you. I don't like your girlfriend. No way. No way. I think you need a new one. [00:41:37] Speaker B: Is that her? Okay. Wow. [00:41:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:41:40] Speaker B: Okay, Right on. Yeah, I remember that one. [00:41:42] Speaker A: And so she gets more and more pop, but she dropped. Like I said, Love sucks last year. 2022, that one. Travis Barker was a producer on it. John Feldman, he, he sang for that band Goldfinger, and he's kind of like a legendary pop punk producer. And so it's a lot more rock influenced. [00:42:06] Speaker B: Cool. [00:42:07] Speaker A: So if you need a little bit more Admiral, check out Love Sucks because it's, it's very good. Total recommend. [00:42:15] Speaker B: All right. Do you have this one on vinyl? [00:42:19] Speaker A: We went to Target earlier and I was like, oh, oh, man. Because they just celebrated the 20th anniversary of this record. That was kind of neat being able, being able to do this. And it targeted a special pressing and I, I was going to get it for the show, but they didn't have it. I was so bummed out because VIN. [00:42:39] Speaker B: Vinyl collectors out there follow Target and Walmart's vinyl selection because they, they, they get exclusives all the time. It's pretty weird, man. [00:42:46] Speaker A: I have a couple Metallica did some Walmart exclusives and like, they're like beautiful. They're on beautiful, like, color vinyl. They sound good. Yeah, totally. Check out those exclusives. They're a lot of fun. [00:43:01] Speaker B: But yeah, I really enjoyed this one. I'll return to the hits and I will definitely return to I'm with you because that one really stood out to me. I might have an in on someone with an opinion who happens to be female and, and was of age when this record came out and meant a great deal to them. And I think if I get it, we'll play it right now. [00:43:26] Speaker C: Okay. So the year is 2004. The girl is me, Lauren. I am 13 years old, I believe. And picture me getting up for school. I'M not a morning person, so. So I'm very upset and half asleep and not speaking to my mom because I just hated being alive that early in the morning. And now I've got to go to school. I hate going to school. I hate being at school. I was one of those kids that just. School never worked for me. I never fit in. I was miserable. I got bullied all the time. And I was also one of those kids that I was not fortunate enough to have a parent that could drive me to school. So for my entire preteen and teenage life, I had to ride the bus to school, which was just an absolute embarrassment and shame for me. Cause back then, I don't know how it is for kids now with school, but back then it was like if you were one of the kids that had to ride the bus, you know, you weren't, like, you weren't privileged enough to have a parent that can, like, drop you off at school. And so I was one of those kids. There were a couple. I grew up in the same neighborhood all throughout middle school, elementary school and high school. So I rode the bus with pretty much the same kids for like, you know, however. Yeah. However many years. That was over a decade. I rode the bus with the same kids and people. Never once was I one of the kids on the bus that was laughing and joking and running around and not staying in their seats. You know, every bus had like, their own little click. Like you had these bus clicks. And I was the quintessential kid who would sit in the back of the bus if I could and pull out my Walkman, put those big fat headphones on on my head and lean against the window and look out the window and not talk to anyone. And that was my entire Persona. And if. If you went through my CD collection back then or. Or if anyone ever asked me, you know, what's. What are your favorite CDs, I'd list off three CDs as the year's 2004. So I. I'd list off three CDs, three bands. And then these were my, like, go to pull them out of my back pocket. These are the best. This is what I'm listening to. And that was. Oh, gosh, that was the Yay Y Fever to Tell. That was the Killers Hot Fuss and Muse Absolution. And so this the. I just considered these, like, if you were going to define me as a person, as Lauren, if anyone asked, like the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As the Killers Muse. There was one CD in that little black zip Zip around CD case that I had that I. For whatever reason, I don't know if it was. I don't think it was because I was ashamed of it. I think it was because there was this one CD in there that meant so much to me, defined so much of me, not as an outward person, but as an inward person, the person that no one knew. And there was one CD in there that got so much playtime, the limit does not exist to how much I played this cd. And that was Avril Lavigne's Let Go. And I. You know, when people ask me about my favorite bands, I never said Avril Lavinia. And I never talked about this album because for me, this wasn't one of those albums you put on a list. This album was like me in music. And it was so deeply personal to me that I just didn't talk about it with people. But on those bus rides, 13 years old, so end of May, middle school, most of the beginning of high school, this cd, I would get on the bus, I'd sit, take my seat in the back. No one would talk to me. I'd take out my Walkman, I pop it open, if it wasn't already in there. And I put this cd, I put Avril Lavigne's Let Go in that Walkman. I knew where every scratch on that CD was. I knew which song skipped. I knew everything about that. I knew that CD backwards and forwards. And I put it on and I put those headphones on and I'd press play. And that CD was the soundtrack to my. Not just my life, but that morning bus ride to and from home and school. And even today as an adult, there. There are so many times that I flashback all of a sudden in some sort of emotional state to me sitting in that bus, looking out a window and listening to that cd. What Avril Lavigne wrote and produced, really, and put out there in that record sang to a very specific gen. Generation of young girls, probably boys, but I'm just gonna speak from the experience of being a young girl. And it was so specific. The. The girls she was singing to. It was this. I don't want to call it like a lost generation, but it was these. These lost girls. Like, you know, there's the lost boys. Well, there are these lost girls girls. And you know how there's the quintessential sad boy. Well, there was the quintessential sad girl, and I was definitely one of them. And I know if I was out there, there was. There was more of me. Out there. I just didn't know a lot of them when I was younger, when I was a kid. And it's these girls who, you know, we had so much passion in us, and we just never fit in. No matter what we did or who we tried to be or who we knew we were, there just. There was no real fitting in. And school was always torturous for us. We hate. Like, these were the girls that hated playing the game. We hated playing the game. We knew the game existed, and we knew nobody was really talking about the game, but, you know, the game that all kids kind of have to play growing up. And it's a shame, but it's true. I mean, there's so many movies from the 80s, the 90s, even today written, portraying this world that teenagers have to grow up in. It's just so cutthroat. And there were these girls, and Avril Lavigne knew these girls. She was one of these girls. And she sang to us, man. Everything. Every lyric in the album was like. She was speaking everything. I was feeling that. That there's a lyric in I'm with you, and when I'm with you came on. It was like, oh, here we go, Here we go. I'm gonna cry every time I listen to this. The lyric where she's talking about still standing on the bridge and she's alone at that. That image of. Of. I would always picture myself in New York, even though at that time I'd never been to New York. And I'd picture myself there, standing on a. On a bridge in Central park and at dusk, and it's raining. It's. I mean, it's so. It's so emo. But. But it was true. It was how I felt inside. Like, I was just alone. I felt so alone. I felt so misunderstood. I just. I didn't feel like I fit in. And so there were these girls that felt that way. And they. They were girls who didn't quite fit in, but. But they wanted to. And that was the thing. And it wasn't it that want of wanting people to understand them and be around them and accept them and love them and nurture them. And it wasn't the same desire that, like, that girls or anyone really had where they wanted to fit in in this. The social class in high school and middle school. It wasn't like we wanted to fit in because we wanted to be popular. If anything, we didn't want to be popular because these were also the girls who were. Who were nerds. These were the girls who were skating skater chicks. These were the girls who were hanging out with skater boys. These were the girls who, you know, we wore chokers and baggy pants, and we didn't want to be the preps and the jocks. We weren't a prep. We weren't a jock, but we still had the desire that, you know, the preps and the jocks had. Where we wanted to fit in, but not because we wanted to be in a clique. These were the girls. Girls who wanted a clan. These were girls who wanted friendships that were built on, like, loyalty and built on passion and built on. On understanding deeper parts where everyone kind of just got each other and. And these are the girls that wanted to be a part of groups who are a little. Maybe you could say a little. Little anarchist. You know, they were the kids that kind of wanted to go against the flow, didn't really want to fit in, you know, socially. They didn't want to follow the rules, really. But these were lonely girls that she was singing to who. These were girls who could see through bullshit. And, I mean, it's. This album meant so much to me. [00:53:37] Speaker A: It's. [00:53:37] Speaker C: It's almost hard. Hard to kind of, like, break it down because it was. It was just the. The whole thing was just one big masterpiece for me emotionally. And I'm sure if I felt that way about it, there must be so many other girls out there in the world who were equally as shaped and defined by this album, who. This album was the second soundtrack of their life. And it was, for me, for years. Years. This was the soundtrack of my life. And I'd be moving through life. I'd be in certain situations in my life, and I would hear those songs playing from. From Avril Lavigne playing in the back of my head and just. Just living the words she was singing because she knew, man. She knew she. She spoke to that generation. There's. There's only one other, maybe a couple, but. But one other female artist that sticks out to me from that time who I could say did the same thing and was singing to the same girls, and that was Pink when she. When she did Misunderstood and. But, you know, Pink was sort of singing to sort of the same girls, but maybe a different subsect of these girls. She was kind of singing to the girls who didn't just have emotional scars. She was kind of singing to the girls that had real scars. She was kind of singing to the girls who've been through some real shit in their lives, you know, probably with their families, came from broken Homes like, that's really who Pink was singing to. She was kind of singing to the much more rough and tumble girls out there. Avril Lavigne's Let Go was still kind of speaking to girls who'd been through some stuff. But these were more the girls with like emotional scars. These were the girls that didn't have a lot of outward scars. They weren't like big troublemakers. These were kind of the more, maybe the more quiet girls who were a little more riot girls on the inside, right? And that's who I was. I was a riot girl on the inside, but I was a total quiet girl on the outside. I'll say, you know, I'll put that CD in. When, when I and I. When Elliot told me that you guys were gonna cover this album, you know, I whipped out my phone and went on Spotify. It was so weird that this wasn't. That I wasn't popping a CD into a Walkman to listen to, to this song. You know, it's on my, my dumb iPhone and I'm plugging it into my, my car's computer and playing it that way instantaneously. But he told me, you know, when he told me that that Sipping Mimos was gonna do Avril Lavigne and he was asking me like, you ever listen to that? I was like, have I ever listened to Avril Lavigne? And I. He told me this. I was just having a terrible day. I was having a terrible day. And so, you know, we're like, well, let's pop it on because we're in the car and I turn it on on my Spotify. And those. Oh, those first few notes, man, the dun dun dun dun dun dun. Those first few notes start playing and it was like a tidal wave hit me. I mean, it was like. It was like if my life were a movie, this would be the cut to where, you know, it like fades, not fades. It like zooms in on from current Lauren right onto Lauren, who's 13, back in that bus with her head against the window and it's raining outside and she's got her Walkman on. I mean, it was like, it was like I was right back to 13 and listening. Re listening to that album as a 32 year old with a kid now who has so much bigger problems in her life, like than, you know, feeling alone or being a lonely kid. It still hit. It still hit so hard. And it almost made my bad day better to hear that, to relisten to this album and relive it and re experience it, as an adult, that was, as Elliot would say, delicious. It was a delicious experience to re. Listen to this album and just. Just hearing those first couple of notes that. That. I don't know what they're. I guess it's a. It's a guitar with a. With an effect added to it, but, you know, that. Just that. Those. That. That intro, man, just the first couple of notes of that intro brought me right back into it. Avril knew what she wanted and she fought for it, and she did it, and it was. It was what she wanted to do, and it's how she wanted it to sound. And she. Who she was singing to, who she made this music for, who she made this album for. You know, there are very, very, very few, few artists and musicians who. Who can really, truly have the music they wrote for their generation, actually define their generation. And it didn't define an entire generation because, again, this album didn't speak to everyone. This album defined a generation of young girls who felt very alone, very misunderstood, but who were just these passionate girls, and they were girls that really wanted people to feel passionately about them. And she. You know, if you guys are. If you guys ever get Avril listening to this podcast, and if you put this on here and she hears this, then, Avril, what I have to say to you is, I got it. I got this album. I got this album so deeply that it. It was more than music for me. It was. It was like. It was like my soul. It was like. And it sounds so cheesy to say, but it's so true. And, Avril, I'm so proud of you for making this. I want you to know that if. If I felt this way, then, then there were so many others that felt this way. So many others that loved what you had to say, that resonated with what you had to say and who. This album meant so much to them. It meant so much to me, and I just. Avril, if you're out there, if you hear this, I want to thank you so much for giving me that album, for giving me the strength to get to school every morning, because I. There were so many mornings where I just didn't think I could do it, where I just wanted to walk off the bus and walk away from school and just never come back. And every morning I got to put this album on and listen to it, and my bus ride was almost the entire album so I could get through it, you know. First song to last, from Losing Grip to oh My Gosh Naked, I think is the last song on there. Thank you. Thank you for singing to the girl I was. Thank you for singing to so many other girls out there who must have been like me and felt the way I felt and, you know, just. I hope you're so proud of what you made, Avril, because we are. And we love this album. I love this album. I wish I could have actually been on the podcast with you, you guys, Elliot and Jake, so you could ask me specific questions about songs and stuff. I might send Elliot a couple of blips about specific songs, but just in general. Yeah, this was the. The defining album of my pre teen and teenage years. Might actually be the defining album of my life, really, Honestly. [01:02:18] Speaker B: Okay, that was it. Thank you so much. All right. [01:02:26] Speaker A: Awesome. [01:02:27] Speaker B: Seamless. [01:02:30] Speaker A: Well, okay, so. Okay, so we're. We're in 2002 this year. [01:02:34] Speaker B: We are in 2002, as we said earlier. [01:02:36] Speaker A: And, you know the White Stripes, you talked about them a little while ago. They were number one on spins, top 40 albums of the year. So for any band that year, you're gonna be. You're kind of like, in the shadow of the White Stripes. And when I say any band, I mean any artist, even if your name is DJ Shadow. [01:03:08] Speaker B: Here we go. [01:03:16] Speaker A: Why don't you tell me a story? Please tell me a story, too. You know, I think I'll tell you the story. You tell me. This is why I walk and talk this way. [01:03:46] Speaker B: This is why I walk. [01:03:47] Speaker A: And talk this way this is why I walk and talk this way. All right. [01:03:56] Speaker B: Yo, yo, stop. [01:03:59] Speaker A: So I was thinking. So. So this isn't our first time revisiting electric electronica artist because we did Moby. [01:04:07] Speaker B: We've repeated Moby. We've repeated Pam. We've talked about Death Punk a couple times, but by happenstance, we did homework. And then we did, like, a tribute episode when they broke up. [01:04:17] Speaker A: Yeah, but. So this is. This is us returning to one of my favorite episodes, the iconic, the elusive. [01:04:30] Speaker B: Ooh, elusive. I like elusive. [01:04:32] Speaker A: Speaking of elusive, did you see Apex Twin is, like, dropping music, New music. [01:04:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. He's got, like, a cool new vinyl thing coming out, too. Like, it looks really dope. [01:04:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it looks wild. [01:04:42] Speaker B: He does that. He just drops stuff whenever he feels like it, I think. Is it on Warp? I think he's got some deal with Warp Records. [01:04:50] Speaker A: Listen. Listen to our episode on Apex Wing. It's a spooky one. [01:04:54] Speaker B: It's a spooky, spooky ookie episode. [01:04:56] Speaker A: We talk about him riding a tank. Yes, he. He rides in a tank. [01:05:00] Speaker B: And he has spooky. He's a. He's a weirdo. [01:05:08] Speaker A: Did we do that with Rob? That was because we did that one with Rob Zombie. Right? [01:05:12] Speaker B: Rob Zombie. And. And in Apex. That was because we did Come to Daddy. [01:05:17] Speaker A: Yes. That. That album artwork and then made you watch the music video, man. That was. That was. That was a spooky episode. That's. Oh. [01:05:27] Speaker B: Send shivers down my spine. [01:05:29] Speaker A: That was Sip. That was Paranormal Sipping. Mimos. [01:05:33] Speaker B: Paramos. I don't know. Okay, shifting gears. Yes. [01:05:40] Speaker A: Tell me about private press from 2002. [01:05:43] Speaker B: Right, so 96 introducing comes out and that's the one we talked about previously. It's one of my favorite albums. It's in my top five, probably four, maybe three. I adore it. I think it's fantastic. I think it's next level good. And it's like cool. Kind of like postmodern dj, like sampling production world. You enjoyed it too, right? [01:06:06] Speaker A: I enjoyed it so much so that I found the vinyl. One of my favorite shops in the Austin area. [01:06:12] Speaker B: Breakaway. [01:06:13] Speaker A: Breakaway Records. Thank you. Sponsor us Sponsor. Hey, we love vinyl. We love record stores in Austin. And they had it. And I didn't think twice. I snatched it up. [01:06:24] Speaker B: Hell yeah. Is it. Is it the anniversary one? It's like a slow pressed or whatever. [01:06:27] Speaker A: It's called OG Pressing. [01:06:30] Speaker B: OG Pressing. Wait a really? [01:06:31] Speaker A: Oh, well, I think it might be like a second. I think it might be a second pressing, but it's. I think it's from like 90. 96, 97. [01:06:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I have one of those pressings and I got rained on because, I mean, I had like a leak in my apartment. I don't want to talk about it. But I got the new like deluxe edition, which is dope. Anyways, so like years later, everyone's like waiting for his follow up, right? Because that record like blew blue minds. And it became a big old deal. Like then that trip hop world, you know there with your massive attacks, even your Yorks a bit and all this. So Shadow waits a while to follow it up. He releases like a little EP of his, like older stuff because he was pretty hot a couple years later. It's called Pre Strike. It's a. It's just kind of an ep and then finally releases his new material. And it's the Private Press. He calls it the private Press because he finds these old records that are one of a kind. There was a system where people could go into a little booth and like read a letter to someone and it would cut to vinyl and they could ship it to Someone and like, instead of writing a letter, they would send a piece of vinyl and they could listen to it. So we have the album bookended by these private press recordings of like, you know, mom's fine, we're doing great. And all this. This album kind of knocked my socks off because I was very excited for new Shadow. It, It's. It feels to me like it's underrated in hindsight. Like, I don't think it got the clout that it is deserved because it's. It's maybe only because it's more of the same. It's Shadow, like, returning to form. It is him doing his weird, you know, you know, serene, like, sampling, always with the big beats. But this one has a bit more of like a. A sense of humor to it, but also like this story that doesn't seem to end well. If you look at the album as a story, he's throwing in like weird kind of like synth pop, Roland hits. There's some like. He's doing like, you know, there's like some 808s that are crushed on here and stuff like that. He's like doing a little like 80s kind of vibes on here every once in a while. And it kind of tells us the story about I stroke down, cars and death. [01:08:41] Speaker A: There's. [01:08:42] Speaker B: There seems to be a motif, mortality to the album, I think. I don't know if he maybe had a. An incident happen related to an automobile or something, but it seemed to be on his mind. Shadow, Josh Davis is a very quiet man. He's a. He keeps to himself. He is a humble man. He's not one of these rock and roll guys. He's not a superstar DJ throwing his hands up in the air and letting you know and getting everyone to lose their. He's like trying to like, emote through this stuff and he's finding all these cool samples, you know, look back at our other episode about Shadow to like, see how he does it exactly. I sent Jake this, a playlist of. Of his live recordings from the album in tune and on time. And it's. It's a lot of material from Introducing and. And Private Press, you know, mixed together along with his other stuff. But I sent it. I sent it to Jake mostly because of the intro of the show. He just walks out on stage. He's got a big plastic record. He goes, hey. He seems to kind of uncomfortable being there. He's like, hello, London. The crowds are going nuts. He's like, okay, is it. Has everyone heard my stuff before? They're like, he's like, okay, cool. I just wanted to show you what I'm doing. It's like, I got a couple turntables. It's like, give. It gives, like, a tour of his, like, booth before doing the show. He's like, there's an NPC over here. And then, like, I got all my records right here. Like, he's telling everyone what he's about to do for transparency's sake. Like, I don't know. I just want you guys to know. Okay. Anyways, all right, cool, cool, cool. [01:10:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:10:22] Speaker B: All right, we're gonna get going. And they're like, the music starts slowly and just builds in. Like, he didn't have to do that. He could have just walked up there, put, you know, put the first record on and, like, got going. Why did he feel the need to, like, go out there and introduce himself? It's just an. It's a. It's. It's just curious to me. The album has a sense of humor. Like the. Like the. Oh, boy, mashing on the motorway with the guy that's, like, just road raging. And, like, my bad is here. People like, swearing, and he's, like, driving down. It's got, like, this weird kind of like. Like surf rock, like, rhythm behind it and, like, these cool keys. A lot of cool keys on this album. But it starts telling these stories, and, like, a lot of the pieces are in two parts, like Mongrel and then, like, meets his maker. And then I'm gonna save one of my favorites for later. But I think it's a fantastic piece. There's some really beautiful stuff going on here. Jake, what'd you think? [01:11:23] Speaker A: So I, you know, I really loved introducing. So when you said we're gonna, you know, talk in DJ Shadow again, was really excited to get back into the world of DJ Shadow. I think I may have liked this one even a little more than introducing. Contrary Controversial opinion. I loved the drums on this thing. The drums are the thing that stuck out to me the most. Now this album is not streaming anywhere. [01:11:54] Speaker B: This is another thing, too, which I think might be related to why it's underrated. I think it has a lot to do with the samples he's using. Some of these got complicated, and it got pulled from a lot of services. It's not on Spotify listeners, but some people have theories where, oh, there was a sample that someone found, and they're trying to, you know, get money out of them or whatever or out of the label, or they're gearing up for a re release. And that Sometimes they take. Sometimes they take the original down to build up hype for a re release or repressing, but I don't know. [01:12:36] Speaker A: So I stream the majority of my music on Spotify. I do have an Apple music account, but I have listened to it. I don't know why I didn't think to check there because I listen. I listen to this thing on YouTube and yeah, I was gonna say even through. Even through YouTube, you know, with sound quality might not be the best. The drums were so just up front and just stuck out to me and just sounded so good. Good. [01:13:03] Speaker B: Yeah, he. Yeah, he's really gotten a far. He's gotten leagues beyond from like finding a cool drum loop that he likes and then just looping it and then finding one that like compliments that and laying on top. He's like staggering and stuff and like putting like stuff in between going double time and like slowing things down, even like slows the tempo down and builds it back up. It's amazing. [01:13:24] Speaker A: It. It was, it was. It was like quite stunning to hear that. But so I just checked on Apple Music. Oh, this damn thing is streaming on Apple Music. [01:13:35] Speaker B: Son of a bee. We could have. All right, all right, well, hey listeners. Find it on Apple. [01:13:42] Speaker A: We're gonna re record this. [01:13:43] Speaker C: What? [01:13:45] Speaker A: No, no, no. We had to do that with. With Richie Hotten, you know. You know, had to do. Had to YouTube listen. So it's no problem because you know, the kind people on YouTube that have this album up there did a really great job of hosting it. But Richie. [01:14:03] Speaker B: Richie Hutton's Dexy effects of 909 is not streaming in many places. [01:14:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:10] Speaker A: Well, I will be a son of a gun. [01:14:12] Speaker B: How about that? [01:14:13] Speaker A: No, I really, really like this one. I thought the production sounded crispy. I thought it was. It was just a cool sound record. Like I heard a lot of. Honestly, I heard a lot of hybrid in this one. [01:14:29] Speaker B: Interesting. [01:14:30] Speaker A: I even. [01:14:30] Speaker B: Because of all like the break beats and stuff and the strings. [01:14:33] Speaker A: The strings. Yeah, and the. The beats. Even though they weren't. Even though they weren't the same. Maybe they weren't done on. On whatever instrument the Method Crystal did on Vegas. I actually heard a lot of Vegas by Crystal Method in the drums. They were. I mean, but they were like recordings of like analog drums. Crystal Method doesn't use those. Not that. At least not that I remember. No, but I heard a lot of like. Even though like which I was like, that kind of reminds me of Vegas where we're introducing. Maybe it's a little bit more like Introspective. This. This. I felt like this was a little bit more. Like, a little bit more welcoming. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Oh, okay. It was an easier listen. [01:15:32] Speaker A: Easier listen, I would say. [01:15:35] Speaker B: How so? [01:15:36] Speaker A: I don't know where I. And I could totally be. And maybe it's because in my research with Introducing, you know, I found, like, I had broken down, like, all the tracks that went into each song. So I think I may have, like, you know, when listening to Introducing, I'm trying to figure out, okay, what's from what, you know, I remember we talked about there's a Metallica sample on that song. You know, like. [01:16:02] Speaker B: That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:16:04] Speaker A: This. I didn't have that experience. I couldn't find anything about what went into it, but it. It seemed like a simpler production while listening. [01:16:15] Speaker B: I think there's. I think on this one, I might be totally wrong. I think there's less samples and more shadow behind it. Like, I think a lot of these, like, digital drums, the rollings are played by him or programmed by him. I think there's a little more him in it and. And spoiler alert, for later albums. He goes full production, he loses the sample thing. I think maybe. Maybe because this one was released like B plus reviews, you know, it wasn't like the Flash where it bombed or anything, but people were very happy to see Flat, See Shadow back. [01:16:49] Speaker A: It was just like a sophomore slump thing. That isn't really a slump. [01:16:53] Speaker B: I think he tried so hard to avoid a sophomore sleep swamp, and he was nervous about this one. He seems like a pretty anxious dude. And I think this album is about anxiety. I think the album is about his anxiety about the album. I think it's the last Jedi of it. Of. Of his albums. Part. Part two. How about that? Like, and so he. [01:17:10] Speaker A: He. [01:17:11] Speaker B: He goes a very different direction from here on out. [01:17:14] Speaker A: And is it, like, Diminishing Returns? [01:17:19] Speaker B: I don't want to say that. I don't want to say it's diminishing, but it's not this. It's just a different, like, genre entirely. [01:17:27] Speaker A: Do you think he. Do you think he stopped maybe, like, the sample thing, maybe because it was too. Maybe he. Do you think it because it took so long or he had, you know, conquered the genre and wanted to move on to something else? [01:17:46] Speaker B: I think he. I think he's like, well, I've done two of these albums that are built out of other records. I should probably start making my own. And he wanted to, like, what. What can I do? Like, from zero and, like, build something up just from my My production. Know how. So he like. And he got like really into like, I think what they called hyphae. It's like a hip hop sub genre. And started making these pretty wild like hip hop tracks and, and getting guest vocalists to like throw bars on top of it. And that's great. Good for him. It's not what the Shadow fans wanted. It's not like, we want. We want the moody, we want the weird. We want the like down tempo. And like, what does it all mean of it all? We want weird record samples. We want. We want him to dig. Dig. Keep digging. Shadow. And he's like, I'm done digging. I'm making, making new stuff to add to this pile. [01:18:55] Speaker A: So. [01:18:55] Speaker B: So he just went a different direction and good for him. It's fine, it's fine. I'm, you know, never going to tell anyone what to do. But I do, I do miss this era of Shadow. [01:19:08] Speaker A: It's so innovative. It's. I mean, the only thing I can compare it to that we've listened to is the Avalanches. [01:19:17] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. [01:19:19] Speaker A: I put those two guys. I put those two groups, these Shadow and the guys in the Avalanches in the same category. Just, just incredible engineers and kind of like collage artists. [01:19:35] Speaker B: Right? [01:19:35] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. [01:19:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:38] Speaker A: My favorite song on Private Press. [01:19:41] Speaker B: Oh, please. [01:19:42] Speaker A: Was Right Thing. G, D, M, F S O, B. [01:19:46] Speaker B: Yes. The Right Thing. The right, right, right Thing. [01:19:51] Speaker A: I love that. [01:19:53] Speaker B: It was. Did you happen to listen to the Z Trip remix I sent you? [01:19:57] Speaker A: A little bit, yeah. So I listened to the one I. The one I. The one that you sent. Let me see. [01:20:06] Speaker B: I find it especially hard to find the right record for the mood. There's nothing worse than picking the wrong thing. [01:20:11] Speaker A: The one I listened to more was the In Tune and On Time, Blood on the Motorway. Did you say there was Tom York vocals in there? [01:20:17] Speaker B: Oh, well, can we wait on that? Let's talk about Right Thing first because I've got thoughts on that one. Okay, but like, but Right Thing. Right Thing is great. And that's where you hear the like, that's him. That's him programming beats. That's not a sample. That's him on a roll in. That's one of him on an 808 or 303 or whatever. So like that, like I'm sure he's done a bit of that before, but he's. Now he's programming instead of like sampling and that's a, that's a leap. And there's a bunch of samples in there and like. And then we hear like The. He's doing like a little like, you know, some synthes stuff. And there's a bunch of cool samples in there. Enough to make your head spin. Did you catch the Information Society sample? [01:21:04] Speaker A: No. [01:21:05] Speaker B: Do you know Information Society? [01:21:06] Speaker A: No, I'm not familiar. [01:21:08] Speaker B: They're a big old. They were like a. Well, probably a couple hit wonder. I want to know what you're thinking. Is there something on your mind? [01:21:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [01:21:21] Speaker B: That sounds called pure Energy. And there's a. There's a like in. In right thing. There's like. And then a drum roll. Drum roll. Pure energy. Like you said. This one little sliver like that's from Information. Yeah, he's got a little. He's got. There's a lot of 80s in here going on. What do you think of mashing on the Motorway? The Car one, the Driver Rage one. [01:21:49] Speaker A: Like you said, that surf rock, that surf rock beat. [01:21:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:55] Speaker A: It's like something you would hear in like a Tarantino movie. [01:21:57] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Tarantino. Me, kind of. But that song ends with a car crash. And then we move right into Blood on the Motorway, which just opens with this piano like. [01:22:08] Speaker A: Oh. [01:22:09] Speaker B: And you hear the sample. And now Eternity. And we just go in death. Yes. We are now dead. Our character is dead. Our protagonist is dead. As we listen to this adventure. [01:22:22] Speaker A: And it's like a. Like a haunting organ. Like a church organ kind of deal. [01:22:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I think it's astonishing. It's 9 minutes and 12 seconds long. I think it's unreal. At a certain point it starts over and drops in new elements with this guy singing over it. I have not betrayed my ideals. Like this beautiful vocalist. Like, I don't know where he dug up that. Probably stole it. And that's why it's not on Spotify and. But I think it is the undisputed masterpiece on this album. I don't think. I don't think. I think it might be just as good or if better than anything on Introducing. I think it's astonishing. It's got these glasses, gorgeous strings. And then like. Like these like sweet, sweet double time drums like drop in and it's absolutely beautiful. It's breathtaking. [01:23:13] Speaker A: You and you almost get like those like little. Like I'm listening to it in real time for reference and you get like almost bells, like. Like ting. Tinglings. They're little. [01:23:25] Speaker B: They're like church bells. Like, you know, when you. The handheld little t. There's a lot of melody on this one. It's. It's really astonishing. It's really beautiful. Yeah. And The I sent Jake a piece from the In Live In Tune and on Time album where he plays a lot of us together and his rendition of Blood on the Motorway live drops this amazing Tom York like croon, like Scream almost. [01:23:59] Speaker A: What song is that from? I'm not talking about. I'm not familiar with a lot. A ton of Radiohead. [01:24:05] Speaker B: Tom York recorded it for Shadow. [01:24:08] Speaker A: Really? [01:24:09] Speaker B: They're buds, man. [01:24:11] Speaker A: That's pretty cool. [01:24:12] Speaker B: I think in between before. Before this. When did uncle come out? You1 Kle uncle is Shadow and James Lavelle, I think 60, 40 James and Josh. And featured Tom York on a few tracks. Rabbit in your headlights, if you remember what that was. No, I'm a rabbit in your headlights. Tom York of Radiohead listeners is a big old fan of Shadow and they collabed on a few things and he. He just. I think Shadow must have been him going on tour. Came you. Do you have any ideas of what you could do over this one? It goes. And that's kind of it. And it is like gut wrenching. [01:24:59] Speaker A: It's haunting, haunting. [01:25:01] Speaker B: And then shadow stutters. It goes. It's amaz. It's gorgeous. And like if you're not. If you don't have goosebumps, I don't know what to tell you. It's a beautiful recording. I'll drop it in under this. But man, I love. I'm a big Tom York fan. I think his vocals are crazy. Oh, and then Right Thing Z Trip remix that I mentioned before is like a very cool remix of. Of Right Thing, one of your favorite tunes. And it's kind of a medley of all ZTrip's favorite Shadow tunes. So just kind of. It's kind of like a real big high five. Love you, bro. Kind of like travel of all. All Cheddar's best tunes to the beat of Right Thing and then it breaks down and slows down like it's just gorgeous. It's a really well, well put together remix. And I think this one is just one for the ages, man. Hard to find apparently. If you see this one on vinyl. Grab it. [01:25:58] Speaker A: Yeah, the. I love the artwork for it. [01:26:02] Speaker B: I was gonna mention the artwork. So curious. Introducing. It's just like a photo of him or. Sorry. A photo of like just people looking at a record store. And then like the innards are like very green, you know. And this one's like this cool like printmaking. Kind of like white, black, white and orange going on. [01:26:22] Speaker A: It's very much a collage. [01:26:24] Speaker B: There you go. [01:26:26] Speaker A: You have. But it. But everything is Is based around a circle. [01:26:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:32] Speaker A: There's a. There's a hand, and it looks like he's holding almost like a ball. And there's a skeleton. Like, there's a bird. And then there's hands making. There's several hands making another circle. I. I would, you know, really, really love to see, you know, what was behind the development of this artwork, because it is. It's not what I was expecting because, like. Like Elliot said introducing is just. It's him. Isn't he wearing a wig in on that front cover, or am I thinking you talking about on the front cover of Introducing? [01:27:07] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. [01:27:08] Speaker A: It's just a photo someone's wear. Hold on. [01:27:13] Speaker B: Wait, What? Yeah. [01:27:16] Speaker A: Isn't he wearing a wig? [01:27:18] Speaker B: Neither of those guys are Shadow. What Shadow's done on the COVID of Introducing. That. What? That's. That's just two dudes shopping for records, man. What? Why would you think. I could have sworn he's never been on. He's never been on an album cover. [01:27:42] Speaker A: I will be. God damn. I could have sworn that was him in a wig. [01:27:47] Speaker B: Why would you think that you could have sworn that? [01:27:53] Speaker A: I was, like, so confident. Like, I was gonna bring that up. So, like. Like in my notes from Sam, like, be sure to bring up that he's wearing. Okay, but who. Who do we talk about that they're wearing a wig on the front? [01:28:05] Speaker B: I don't know. But. [01:28:07] Speaker A: But the front cover has shadows friends. Tom Shimura in a white wig. Ah, that's who it is. Wearing a wig. [01:28:18] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:28:20] Speaker A: Okay. So Tom. Tom Shimura, who is also. They refer to him on this website, medium.com, as a hip hop Jedi. Tom Shimura in a white wig and sweater. And Xavier Mosley, Chief Excel. [01:28:35] Speaker B: That's the guy on the left. [01:28:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:38] Speaker B: All right. [01:28:39] Speaker A: Okay. I could have sworn that was him. [01:28:40] Speaker B: All right, well, I guess we're both kind of. Right. [01:28:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:44] Speaker B: It's not Josh. And. And someone is wearing a wig. I didn't know there's a wig. [01:28:48] Speaker A: I knew there was a wig involved. [01:28:51] Speaker B: All right, I'm wearing. I'm wearing a wig right now. Is it. Is it. [01:28:55] Speaker A: Okay, that is good. [01:28:57] Speaker B: Can you do that? [01:28:58] Speaker A: That's pretty good. Well, I can't, because I actually probably need a wig. [01:29:02] Speaker B: No, you look great. You. You look great. Thank you. I need a haircut so bad. I feel like I just got a haircut and it's already like. It doesn't help that it's 130 degrees outside. [01:29:13] Speaker A: I. Do I have to worry? I'm pretty Thin on top. So I have to wear a cap these days everywhere. Because, dude, if I'm outside without a cap on. [01:29:21] Speaker B: Get that suntan lotion. Suntan lotion? [01:29:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Let me use that instead of hair gel. It's bad. [01:29:29] Speaker B: Get a cool. Get a cool hat. Be a hat guy. [01:29:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I have a. I bought a Spider man cap from Disney World. Okay. I've been rocking the Spider man cap. I turned 35 this year. Another thing I really. Besides the drums on this one, I. I really noticed the guitar. You know, I. You know, I'm a guitar guy, and so whenever there's a guitar present, I'm just like. I zero in on it. And there's a lot of really, like, kind of like, eerie sounding guitars, like, on like Mongrel. And then meets his maker. It kind of like, it starts off with this, like, weird. Like, I think it might be not arpeggiated, but these, like, pluck notes that are kind of like, eerie sounding. Um, I really like that. Um, I loved Fixed income. Um, Giving up the ghost. Um, Walkie talkie. [01:30:29] Speaker B: So all of them? [01:30:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, pretty much all of them. No, this. This was great. I. This is one I'm probably gonna listen to on my drive to work tomorrow morning. [01:30:41] Speaker B: Excellent. Excellent. [01:30:44] Speaker A: Because it's like. It's soaring at times and calming and. Yeah, it's beautiful when you're in traffic, you need that kind of thing and. Yeah, this is one I'm certainly gonna return to. And if I see the vinyl, I'm snatching it up. [01:31:05] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Do you like six. Did you like six Days? It's the. At the starting of the week. [01:31:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. That was a weird one. [01:31:17] Speaker B: It is weird. [01:31:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:19] Speaker B: Almost like Hawaiian. Like. Like. [01:31:22] Speaker A: Yeah, there's. There's a lot of humor to this one, for sure. [01:31:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:29] Speaker A: But no, I. I thought it was great. [01:31:32] Speaker B: There's a world where I could think a critic could see this as disjointed, but I see the. I see the language underneath it and, like, it feels like a piece to me, but maybe I'm in. I don't know. I think it's underrated. I think it's incredible. [01:31:44] Speaker A: Well, it's. It's one of those things where it's like you invent a genre essentially, you know, with that first album. So, I mean, it's kind of like you're almost not doomed because there are still people out there that, you know, value this work and. And think very highly of it and love it, but. But doomed by your own success. You know, you're just Like, I think. [01:32:12] Speaker B: That'S exactly what it is. I think he was terrified of this, of which we've mentioned before and all this. That's why, like, Mongrel, which opens up side A, like, opens up with welcome to Fear, side two. So is this album about his fear of the album itself coming out? Like, I, I, I, I, I can only, you know, guess I. [01:32:34] Speaker A: You know, it's funny, a lot of times I have to be just, like, you know, have it, like, banging me over the head, being like, this is what this means. But after this conversation, I'm thinking about, I can't remember the song. Which, which song in particular says, like, his record collection is growing day by day. [01:32:51] Speaker B: Or this record collection gets tied up every minute. [01:32:55] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [01:32:56] Speaker B: That's right thing, huh? Is it not? [01:32:59] Speaker A: Okay, okay. Right thing is the right thing. [01:33:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:01] Speaker A: Okay, now we're talking about this. I picture a producer who's buying up these records, buying up a ton of records, trying to create something to live up to his. His first album. Like. Yeah, his record collection. Oh, it's gonna kill me. Hold on, I'm gonna see what it says. Pull up on Apple Music. [01:33:27] Speaker C: Now, let's see. [01:33:27] Speaker A: This tight, tight collection. [01:33:29] Speaker B: This, this tight collection gets bigger than that. [01:33:31] Speaker A: Oh, this tight collection. So I took that as his record collecting. I could totally be wrong. [01:33:38] Speaker B: Yeah, it's very. I find it very difficult to find the right record for the mood. There's nothing wrong with making the wrong. Making the, you know, wrong decision. [01:33:46] Speaker A: So that's him. Yeah, that's him in his own head being like, oh, I need to create something. [01:33:53] Speaker B: Well, it's his anxiety about, what if this record doesn't work? What if it. What if it's not as good as introducing? What if people hate me? Like, I think this is a lot of his anxiety, shyness, and, like, I don't need to do this anymore, man. Like, like, can I just have, like, a radio show and just do that and play, like, deep, deep, deep ass cuts of in 45s like, all day? Like, I'd be happy. I don't think he would have been happy there, but he keeps going and it's, you know, it's just different. [01:34:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I love this one. What, what are your. Do you have any final thoughts on private press? [01:34:24] Speaker B: Final thoughts. If you liked introducing, this is just as good. So I think it's astonishing. And, like, again, like, Blood in the Motor, where he's unbelievable. If you want more shadow, there's more of it. Again, I'll recommend the live album. What is it? Whatever. There's lots of cool stuff out there by Shadow. And if you want to, like, deep dive, then. Yeah, yeah. Dive into the future albums. It gets. It gets weird and wacky and he tries new things and good for him and dig on it. I think the mid-90s to early aughts Shadow releases, meaning this Predator Strike and Introducing are just astonishing. And he has, like, he's cemented himself on the mount. DJ more in my head, and I can't think of any, like, more influential and like, profoundly moving, like, sampling artists, you know, Then. Then Shadow. Okay. He's leagues beyond Fat Boy Slim for me as a sample artist, you know? Sample artist. He's an amazing turntableist. Like. [01:35:35] Speaker A: Yeah, he's scratching on this one. [01:35:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an amazing scratcher. Yeah. If you're like this and you know, the more of the funky stuff that's on here, like, you know, Taki and all that, Check out him, his work with Cut Chemist. We'll get to Cut Chemist. Him and Cut Chemist. I think I mentioned another Shadow episode on the introducing episode. He and Cut Chemist, like, have this DJ mix called Product Placement, which is fantastic. It's them and like all 45s, and they're all 45s from like, commercials from like the 60s and stuff. And they're just like mixing the out of these like 45s, which is insanely hard if you know how that. How DJing works, analog DJing works. But it's. It's fantastic. Good luck finding that on Spotify. He's just. He's just like on another level, man. And he, like, really knows his stuff. He's just a connoisseur and a. And a real student of these weird. Student of the weird. He's a student of the weird. He wants to make weird stuff, and I think he succeeds. And it's deeply moving and incredibly powerful. And I'm a big Kimongo fan. [01:36:39] Speaker A: Well said. I. And I second that. I. Mimo. Seconded. Here, here. [01:36:45] Speaker B: Mimo, second. All right. [01:36:50] Speaker A: Many people don't realize what an enormous impact their physical surroundings have on their mental, well being. Being surrounded by a home that feels like you and brings beauty and inspiration into your life gives you a feeling of calm and appreciation of the beauty in the world. You fill your home up with furnishings and items one way or another. Why not make them wonderful and a reflection of yourself? Joyce at Joyce Marie Interiors is committed to bringing beauty and elegance into the world one room at a time. Let her help you transform yours, because if you could do it yourself. You would visit joycemarieinteriors.com for more information and tell her Jake and Elliot sent you foreign. Well, I think, you know, I think we did a good job of tackling two absolute giants of their genre. If you haven't listened to DJ Shadow's Private Press or Avril Lavigne's Let go, both from 2002, which side note, 2002, absolutely the best year for New Year's Eve. Glasses go out. [01:38:02] Speaker B: That's right. [01:38:03] Speaker A: And go out and, and listen. Wherever you listen to music, Private Press is on Apple Music, as I discovered live on this episode. And yeah, if you, if you have any experience with these, with either of these records, choose an email drop. Drop us a line on Instagram. Elliot's, you know, really active over there on our Instagram. That's Sip and Mimos Pod at Instagram. Oh wait, no, at sipping Mimos Pod Sip and Mimos Gmail. [01:38:35] Speaker B: But yeah, no, no Sipping Mimospot Gmail. [01:38:37] Speaker A: Sip Mimospod Gmail. [01:38:40] Speaker B: That's right. [01:38:42] Speaker A: But yeah. So for next time, I was just checking the calendar and I think it's going to be opposite day. Sip and Mimos. [01:38:53] Speaker B: What do you mean? [01:38:54] Speaker A: Well, you know, for three years now I've been dishing out some pretty tasty radio rock, pop, punk, R B albums for you. And you know, I listened to some electronic albums in the 90s back in my day and you did not. I, I, I would like to bring one to the table for discussion if that's okay. [01:39:20] Speaker B: Is this a Ray of Light situation? Because if it is, I'm gonna be very upset. [01:39:23] Speaker A: Oh, that's controversial. Episode. [01:39:27] Speaker B: Go, go back to episode Ray of Light. Stan Smiling Stanley. [01:39:33] Speaker A: Excelsior. [01:39:34] Speaker B: Excelsior. [01:39:35] Speaker A: Rip Rip. Yeah. So for the next episode, I think, I think we're going to talk a little Jake Drum electronica. [01:39:48] Speaker B: We're gonna do a little switcheroo. [01:39:49] Speaker A: We're gonna do a little switcheroo. [01:39:50] Speaker B: Can I do Radio Rock then? [01:39:52] Speaker A: You can do Radio Rock, Can I please? You can do it. [01:39:56] Speaker B: Okay, thank you. [01:39:57] Speaker A: J I, I hand you the mantle. [01:40:00] Speaker B: Thanks Daddy. [01:40:03] Speaker A: All right, so my album next time. [01:40:06] Speaker B: What'S your electronica from the 90s album gonna be? [01:40:09] Speaker A: All right, so in 1999. [01:40:14] Speaker B: This better be good. [01:40:16] Speaker A: A song, a song came out on the radio. I'm sorry, this song came out in 1998. A song came out on the radio that captured my 10 year old imagination for much of my childhood and it's kind of constantly been in the back of my mind since then. So we're looking at 25 years now. It's a song I. It's a song I returned to. I have returned to a lot. And an album that I recently returned to. And I thought, you know what? I got to get Elliot to listen to this just to see. Just to get his 2 cents, to see what he thinks about this. Okay, so next time, switching. Switching mimos. [01:41:07] Speaker B: Oh, I love that. Switching mimos. That's great. [01:41:10] Speaker A: Thanks, bro. We are. [01:41:13] Speaker B: We're just swapping germs. Yeah, we're all going to get Covid 23. [01:41:19] Speaker A: We are going to be talking about 1999's Europop by the Italian electronic group Eiffel 65. And if you're not familiar with Eiffel 65, the song, the aforementioned song that captured my imagination was Blue Dabadee. I cannot wait. [01:41:57] Speaker B: That'll be a good discussion. I remember when that album came out, I bought the cd. [01:42:04] Speaker A: Really? [01:42:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:06] Speaker A: I have a CD too. [01:42:08] Speaker B: One to look out for that I actually enjoy is called Living in a Bubble. [01:42:12] Speaker A: Oh, I love Living in a Bubble. [01:42:14] Speaker B: Oh, it's got your vocoder stuff. You're gonna. You're gonna lose your. [01:42:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:42:18] Speaker B: Oh, I have. Okay. And I have thoughts on the. Where this nonsense goes. It's just rough again. 1999, trying to take this stuff seriously and like getting out there to try to DJ and then people are like, oh, so you like FL65? I'm like, oh, God damn it. It's not going to be another Ray of Light episode. I'll be cool about it. I've got a couple options here for mine if I'm going to go. Rock with it. Bucket it. Yeah. In. In August of 1997, a band that I think we've talked about before and I think you're a pretty big fan of, and they're pretty weird and pretty, pretty wild. And they're just so, like, deeply, deeply, deeply German. They put out an album called Sensor and they're called Rammstein. [01:43:10] Speaker A: Oh, are we going there? [01:43:14] Speaker B: Yeah, we're going there. [01:43:15] Speaker A: Going to the Stein. [01:43:16] Speaker B: We're going to this time. So let's do. Let's do. I have a 65 versus Rammstein. [01:43:21] Speaker A: Man, this is a match made in heaven. [01:43:28] Speaker B: I like, love Sensor. I think it's awesome. There's like, you'd be hard pressed to find a song that we can at least make a joke about because it's weird. And boy, these guys are weird and like, really crazy. And like, when we started the show, they were about to come to town, right? And then they remember that. [01:43:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:43:52] Speaker B: Have you seen them? [01:43:53] Speaker A: I've never seen them. Just on the family values 1998 towards VHS. [01:43:59] Speaker B: VHS, wow. All right. Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, of course there's duhas that. If you can find the. I don't remember Stripped being on the original release, but Stripped is a. What's a cover? Is it not? It's a Depeche Mode cover. If you can find the Depeche Mode cover Stripped by Ramstein. I think it's wild. [01:44:23] Speaker A: This is one. We've kind of, like, been circling this one for a while. [01:44:26] Speaker B: We have been circling this one. [01:44:28] Speaker A: It's. It's gonna be a. I think it's gonna be a really special episode to find. [01:44:34] Speaker B: I'm looking at the track list. I can't wait to revisit this. Oh, my God. [01:44:39] Speaker A: If you listen beforehand, fair warning, the album artwork is fairly morbid. [01:44:46] Speaker B: It's no worse than an Apex Twin cover. [01:44:48] Speaker A: This is one of those. No, mom, it's cool. Like, it's. They're not that. It's not scary. [01:44:54] Speaker B: It's scary. [01:44:55] Speaker A: What is this? [01:44:56] Speaker B: This is some dark, dark shit. It's so much fun and, like, the musicality is amazing and the production is dope. Is like one of the dopest. Okay, never mind. We'll get into it next time. But. Oh, my goodness gracious. [01:45:08] Speaker A: Very industrial friendly. Well, I feel like they're industrial, right? [01:45:12] Speaker B: Yeah, you can call them that. [01:45:13] Speaker A: That's fine. Very industrial friendly rock album. I cannot wait. It's gonna pair really well with the Eiffel 65 guys. [01:45:25] Speaker B: Industrial metal, Google calls them. So we'll see. All right. I love that. Oh, I can't. Oh, I'm very. I'm actually deeply excited for that one. That'll be great. [01:45:34] Speaker A: Awesome, man. [01:45:35] Speaker B: Well, all right. I'm very excited for that one. [01:45:37] Speaker A: I cannot wait. Elliot, it's been a blast talking, revisiting DJ Shadow and Avril with you. [01:45:44] Speaker B: Yes. [01:45:45] Speaker A: Thanks for introducing me to Private Press. [01:45:47] Speaker B: Hey. Oh, I love that. I'm glad we sort out all the complications. And you know what? I'm with you. [01:45:54] Speaker A: You know, I'm just gonna go back to being a skater boy, so see you later, boy. [01:45:59] Speaker B: Oh, I will see you later, boy. [01:46:02] Speaker A: And with that, I mentioned it earlier, Give us a follow on Sipamimo's pod on Instagram. And then if you tell us about your. Your experiences with DJ Shadow or Avril Lavigne or Pop Punk or. Or sampling, shoot us an email. Sippy Millspod, Gmail dot com, if you. [01:46:23] Speaker B: Got a friend that's that we're covering one of their favorite bands or artists, send a link to them. Tell your friends. That would help us out a lot. [01:46:31] Speaker A: Absolutely. All right. All right. [01:46:34] Speaker B: Well, but above all, we should tell the listeners, too. Hey, please stay sipping, stay sipping.