Punky Tonk - Björk vs Social Distortion

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Jake has an actual Mimo. [00:00:02] Speaker B: We're. We're doing it big for. [00:00:04] Speaker A: For. [00:00:05] Speaker B: For Bjork tonight. Here we go. [00:00:07] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Cheers, bud. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Cheers. [00:00:09] Speaker A: Clink, clink. You got some champs left over from weekend adventures. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I just did, you know, some, like some mimos here at the house. And even though I. I gave it a really good go to finish the whole bottle, I couldn't. I'm only one man. [00:00:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:00:40] Speaker B: So I thought I'll save it for the show. So here we are. [00:00:43] Speaker A: Beautiful. I love it. Oh, wow. Return to form. We're back on track. Yeah. Oh, and speaking of, we should say welcome back or welcome to Even Sipping Mimos. [00:00:54] Speaker B: Sippin Mimos. Welcome to the Internet's premiere, oftentimes but not limited to Citrus based Libation Podcast, wherein my. My partner Elliot and I. Hi. Discuss 90s rock and electronica albums. But that's not to say we stick, you know, entirely to the decade of the 90s. We've been known to venture out. [00:01:21] Speaker A: Oh, we ventured, baby. Last. Last episode, we went to two. [00:01:25] Speaker B: Oh, and what an episode. [00:01:26] Speaker A: Have you. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Have you gone back to listen to any more Jimmy World? [00:01:29] Speaker A: Not only that. Well, listeners will know that it hit me real hard. The Bleed American by Jimmy World hit me pretty hard. I was at a karaoke birthday party the other night, so guess what I put in? [00:01:45] Speaker B: You do the middle? [00:01:46] Speaker A: I did the middle. [00:01:48] Speaker B: Oh my God. Did it bring down the house? [00:01:50] Speaker A: Nope, because I'm really bad at singing and it was like kind of earlier than I do. Like I went on. I hopped up on stage at like 8:20 and I was like, I was trying to do it a bit. Like, I'm really shy. I'm really shy. I don't know if I should do. Hey, don't put yourself off yet. And then I like completely blinked as I saw like, just dead stares from people in. In the bar. I'm like, oh, feel left out. Put that on. Best you know, I was like losing it. I was like, oh. I was like. I just started laughing. I'm like, I'm sorry, guys. I don't know. But I was so ready to rock that out. But man, the stamina it takes for that because those lyrics are pretty tight together, man. Like, you gotta really crushed it, dude. No, I did not. But, okay. Oh, but, but, but during the guitar solo, I did run into the audience and run around and like, high five, people. [00:02:48] Speaker B: What were you doing? Karaoke. [00:02:50] Speaker A: It's my buddy Chambers's birthday. And then he went to Egos Chambers. [00:02:56] Speaker B: Happy belated. [00:02:57] Speaker A: Yeah, happy birthday, Chambers. He's a, he's a good friend of mine and he's a. He's a. He's quite the film buff, man. He's like a, a connoisseur and a student of film. He really knows his. Oh, I went with him and some other friends and we went and saw Sisu. [00:03:12] Speaker B: Oh, you, you. I saw you. You gave it a really high rating on letterbox. Tell me about this. I hear it's very Tarantino esque. [00:03:22] Speaker A: It's John Wikian. I'd say that, because I think they share some producers and maybe some stunt guys. This dude in Finland finds a bunch of gold, like a lot of gold, like ancestral life changing amount of gold. And he has 500 plus miles from the nearest bank in Nazi occupied Finland. And he's got to make it with his dog and his mule across this terrain. And these, these Nazis are after him the whole time, so he just lays waste to them. So it's, it's very violent and. But like also like. Well, it's a lot of fun if you're into that sort of thing. I recommend it if you like that. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Sure. [00:04:04] Speaker A: If you like a Tarantino like Inglorious Bastards or if you like those John Wick things or shot beautifully. It's got these great chapter titles like chapter one, the Gold. And then like, so we're like, ooh. Everyone's immediately intrigued. And then like by, by like chapter five, like he goes, chapter five, kill them all. And the audience was cheering at like, yeah, let's go. So it's like a kind of like a revenge kind of, you know, saying like all the murder is, you know, kind of justified in the narrative of the story. So you're just, you're just cheering from the hallway. It's a, it's a good watch if you need to get some energy out. [00:04:48] Speaker B: Awesome. So it's. So it's a period drama like World War II. [00:04:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:04:53] Speaker B: My mom actually went to see it and was telling me about it. [00:04:56] Speaker A: Oh, what's your mom think of it? [00:04:59] Speaker B: Said it was awesome. [00:05:00] Speaker A: All right. Right on. [00:05:01] Speaker B: Cool. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I recommend it. [00:05:04] Speaker B: You know what? Hasn't been an awesome experience that I put myself through and I can't turn back now. I started watching the Paranormal Activity movies. [00:05:15] Speaker A: When did you start and how far in are you? [00:05:17] Speaker B: I was, I, you know, one of, one of the, I feel like one of the more iconic stories from the Sip and Mimos is the morning I woke up and put on Wild, Wild things. [00:05:31] Speaker A: You know, that's some old school lore. True. Fans, true fans will know that Jake watched Wild Things in the Morning once. And I won't let it go. But I had let it go. I had forgotten about it. Now Jake brought it up again. Here we go. [00:05:47] Speaker B: Well, I actually saw Drop Dead Gorgeous recently for the first time, too, starring Denise Richards and Kirstie Alley. Kirsten Dunst, Allison Janney. [00:06:00] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:06:01] Speaker B: Some all stars, Like a mockumentary kind of deal. Very, like, best in show. It's, it's very of the late, late 90s. So a lot of things didn't age really well, but a lot is really funny. [00:06:14] Speaker A: I don't think I've seen that one. Is it good? [00:06:16] Speaker B: It was hilarious. Pretty, Pretty great. Kind of just realized how funny Kirsty Alley was. [00:06:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. [00:06:25] Speaker B: So Friday, you know, I was checking email, having my coffee. I saw the Exorcist was on and I thought, I haven't seen the Exorcist in a long time. It's, you know, it's nine, it's nine o'clock. [00:06:37] Speaker A: Nine o'clock, sure, 9:00am Find time to watch the Exorcist. [00:06:41] Speaker B: And so there I am watching the Exorcist and I get, I'm just like, oh, this is, you know, this is, this is good. You know, I haven't seen this in, in a minute. It's good. I, I, I just got in, like, I got a, I got in a spooky mood, you know? You know. [00:06:54] Speaker A: Huh. Okay. [00:06:55] Speaker B: And I realized that I hadn't seen, I, I'd only seen Paranormal Activity 2. So, yeah, I just started. I'm on part three right now. [00:07:06] Speaker A: I remember me and like a, a friend of mine, like, tore through all those, like, over a week, just. Yeah, for fun. Because we were in the mood and like, we got into a thing of like, looking up Ghost videos on YouTube and like, trying to debunk them and stuff like that. And then we just. Of course you stumble onto paranormal activities stuff. And it's. How do they make these movies watchable? Like, they cost $42 to make because it's all webcams and like, you know, bed sheets moving around. But it's like, oh, my God, it's like you're, you're on the edge of your seat watching sheets move and pillows floating around. [00:07:39] Speaker B: Well, what I realized, they get the biggest scares because they like, it's like breadcrumbs. They, they like have the camera. It's like night one, and you just see like a little shadow or like a little bed sheet move. Okay, that's It. And then it's night two. So night two, you're, like, staring hard at your tv, looking for something. [00:08:07] Speaker A: Yeah. You're looking for it. Yeah. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Then bang, something jumps out, makes a loud noise. I have this, like, I, I think I have this, like, running theory after watching the first three where it's like the, I think the men of the house are the real demons, are the real villains of the story. [00:08:27] Speaker A: I've been saying this for years. [00:08:31] Speaker B: I feel like in the first one, it's Mika. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Oh, I don't remember plot points or anything, but. [00:08:39] Speaker B: And he's with his, he's with his, like, girlfriend. They just moved in. And he. And she's just like, babe, I don't want to be filmed. He's like, no, babe, we gotta catch this. Babe, come on, babe, it's fine. And the whole movie, she's like, mika, I don't want to be filmed. You know? And then the second one, it's like, it's the husband and he's doing the same thing, you know, and she's just like, so and so. I can't remember his name, you know? I don't want to be filmed. Stop. He's like, come on. No, we have to see what's up. No, Come on. And the third movie is the exact same, but it's a flashback. So, yeah, I think, I think the husbands and boyfriends of the paranormal Activity verse are the real villains. Not Toby. Not Toby the demon. [00:09:24] Speaker A: Oh, the demon's name is Toby. It's been a while. But that's interesting, though. [00:09:29] Speaker B: I, I, it's just something I picked up because, like, you just like this guy. And then, like, in the second one, admittedly, it's, it's not as, like, blatant, but, like, you know, the guy, the dad, has a camcorder and he's like, he's not taking it serious. And then, spoiler alert, he ends up getting super killed. [00:09:48] Speaker A: Super killed. [00:09:49] Speaker B: But, but yeah, I mean, they're, they're averaging, like, one star on my letterbox. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Oh, so they didn't even enjoy them that much. [00:09:57] Speaker B: I mean. [00:09:58] Speaker A: But you're gonna finish the whole series because you're a completionist. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm, I'm very much a completionist. And I think, I think they're kind of cool. They kind of. I wouldn't call them, like, cultural touchstones, but, man. Do you remember when that, when the, when that first one came out, like, it was a, it was like a phenomenon. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a, yeah, it was a, it was, it was a paranormal Activity that we all did on the, on that weekend. Yeah, yeah, that was, those were a big old deal because like, like I think studios were like, oh, we could do this. Like it's pure profit and kids like to go see that stuff. And kids are like adjusted to like the webcam culture and all this now. So it's like just gold mine it, It's a better movie if it looks like, you know, like. Yeah. So if there's like a story reason why your movie looks crappy and it costs you less and you, you cast no name actors and stuff like that. I mean, it's just, you're just raking in cash, man. [00:10:56] Speaker B: Yes, it's that Blair Witch effect, you know? [00:10:59] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. It's absolutely. Yeah, yeah, man. Goddamn Blair Witch. That changed the world, didn't it? [00:11:05] Speaker B: It did. I, gosh, I remember I, I was, it came out and I was in like, I was still playing like Little League and like talk about lore. I remember like buddies coming to the, to practice. I mean like, oh, I heard that people were, were throwing up at Blair Ridge Project because it was so scary. And you know, you, you look back, you know, 20 plus years later, it's like, oh, they're probably, they're probably just sick from like being motion sickness, you know, having motion sickness. [00:11:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:11:38] Speaker B: I don't know if anyone was actually throwing up, but if you did, I hope you hope you are better. [00:11:43] Speaker A: Blair Witch is one of those movies that works better and I, I, I would submit that the paranormal, Paranormal Activity movies probably work better too. Like on a vhs, on a tiny little shitty tv because it makes it a little more real and shit. Yeah, that's fun. [00:11:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's neat. And so I, like I said, I, I was kind of in a spooky mood and you could only watch the Shining so many times, so I try something else. [00:12:12] Speaker A: Sure. Right on. Did you hear rumors about certain. Speaking of casting, there's a rumor going around that a certain friend of the show might have a big old role in the Marvel Cinematic Universe of which we talk about a lot. [00:12:28] Speaker B: I heard about this and I'm frankly a little shocked and kind of, kind of hurt that he hasn't reached out to us to tell us. [00:12:42] Speaker A: He's upstairs right now. He hasn't told me. [00:12:46] Speaker B: I forgot you're rooming with Adam Driver. I forget this. [00:12:49] Speaker A: I, I forget if it's canon or not. I think I'm still in Safani Manor. But Adam's still a roommate. He's summers here. I don't know, like, you didn't tell me this Adam Driver apparently might be Reed Richards in Fantastic Four. Oh, I mean, this is all, you know, it's not, it's not confirmed until we see a trailer. Blah, blah. But, but, but I'm on board. [00:13:19] Speaker B: I, I'm on board. [00:13:20] Speaker A: I, I would, I think he would make you hesitate. [00:13:24] Speaker B: I think he would make an even better Dr. Doom. [00:13:28] Speaker A: He would crush his Doom. But he's already had the Kylo helmet. [00:13:31] Speaker B: That's characteristic. [00:13:34] Speaker A: We, that's, that would be his doom. We've already seen it. [00:13:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. [00:13:37] Speaker A: So that's the problem. That's the problem. I mean, and like you just say, oh, Kylo Ren is Doom. That would be sick. But we've already gotten it, so I think they're, he's, he's in trouble there. So I would love that, I would. [00:13:52] Speaker B: Love that because he, because he could play that like smarmy, like arrogant, you know, Adam Driver could, you know, peel an orange, you know, on, on a Friday evening, and I would think it's the best thing ever. But I, I think he would be great. But, you know, I, I don't, I haven't really seen him play like, like a Reed Richards type. Kind of like almost like clean cut, like nerdy. I, I, nothing's coming to mind in. [00:14:22] Speaker A: Roles of like the Adam Driver has played. I mean, I would, I would. I immediately thought of Logan Lucky. [00:14:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:14:31] Speaker A: So like, he's like, you know, like a veteran. Soft spoken, missing an arm, but whip goddamn smart, but doesn't need to say it. I don't know. So maybe that kind of vibe. But like, he's got to be chatty because we need him to talk and stuff. I don't know. He's kind of the lead. I think they're going for Reed is the gonna be the lead of this one. Did you hear the weird rumor about who's going to play the Thing? [00:14:57] Speaker B: No. [00:14:59] Speaker A: Mila Kunis. That's a wild rumor that's going around, but it might be really not true at all. [00:15:06] Speaker B: It might be real bs. [00:15:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know how fans would take that, but it's an odd choice. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:15] Speaker A: Oh, and then Margot Robbie as Invisible Woman. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Love that on my board because I'm just thinking of me, the Kunis and like Michael Chiklis thing. Costume. [00:15:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm sure she put the clay on and all that. Right. I just know it'd be like, it'd be a reimagining of the character and the Thing would be female and and she would mocap it or whatever, and they would put some voice thing on her and she would never be on set and no one would ever meet her. And I don't know, man, but it'd be a move. It'd be a move. Yeah, it's weird. [00:15:49] Speaker B: It's weird. Yeah, it's. [00:15:51] Speaker A: That's the rumor again. Like you don't know. [00:15:54] Speaker B: I would think that that'd be. That'd be wild to see Adam Driver, Margot Robbie and Mila Kunis and, and. And Jake Drumgool as the Fantastic Four. That'd be so crazy. Like, I would love. [00:16:05] Speaker A: That would be crazy. That's my fan casting. [00:16:08] Speaker B: Speaking of the Thing, one of the things I always ask you is, you know, you've seen, heard, tasted, smelt in since the last time we talked. I actually saw something really cool. Check this out. I know this is an audio podcast, so I will explain what we're doing. [00:16:24] Speaker A: All right. And I'll try to describe with commentary. Jake is reaching behind his back. [00:16:30] Speaker B: So. Oh, another. Another movie I watched a couple times recently is John Carpenter's the Thing. Talking about the Thing. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Absolute classic. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Waxwork Records out of New Orleans. They pressed. They re. Repressed a special edition of the soundtrack. [00:16:51] Speaker A: Nice. [00:16:52] Speaker B: And check this thing out. Okay. You see it? [00:16:56] Speaker A: All right. Oh, no way. Okay, Jake's holding. Oh, Jake's holding this thing up. And it has again, this wild gatefold two piece cover with a little zigzag on it, kind of mimicking the. The things like when ma. When it opens it to the CPR categories. Yeah, same. Oh, that's so cool. Wow. Oh, that's rad. [00:17:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I just. I'm obsessed with this thing. I'm like. I just. Yeah. So I. I picked this up recently, was really excited. Major shout out to Waxwork Records. This. It's. It's a beautiful piece. [00:17:31] Speaker A: Sponsor us. [00:17:33] Speaker B: Sponsor us, please. You know, and I was watching the thing and I was thinking, you know, I haven't looked. Where. Where is Antarctica? You know, like, where. Where is this? You know, like, I mean, I'll admit I haven't looked at a globe in a long time. I had to remind myself where it was. So I took out my globe that I have my bedside. [00:17:56] Speaker A: Okay, sure. [00:17:57] Speaker B: And I gave it a spin there. It was Antarctica. I gave it a good spin. You know, I'm like, after you gave the. [00:18:04] Speaker A: The Thing soundtrack a spin. [00:18:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. And, you know, I looked at Antarctica and then it's interesting kind of directly, you know, not above, but on the other side of the world. And if there's any geologists out there or geographers. That's right. [00:18:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. So nearby, maybe. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I saw another country. [00:18:32] Speaker A: Did you really? [00:18:33] Speaker B: I did. And beautiful, beautiful country. And I did a little research, and turns out a certain artist is from this country. [00:18:44] Speaker A: What? I think Santa Claus. [00:18:48] Speaker B: It's a country. It's. To quote one of my favorite 90s sports movies, the Mighty Ducks 2. Iceland is very nice and Greenland is full of ice. But we're talking about Iceland today. We are. The artist we're talking about. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Yep. [00:19:09] Speaker B: Is the one and only Bjork. You ready? [00:19:15] Speaker A: I'm ready. [00:19:16] Speaker B: Let's do it. Strap in. Here we go. [00:19:46] Speaker A: If travel is searching and home what's been found. I'm gonna stop. I am going hunting. I'm a hunter. I'll bring back the good. [00:20:29] Speaker B: But I don't know when. So this week, Elliot brought to the podcast an artist that just talked about, just mentioned Bjork, who is, I feel, so much more, so much more than a musician. It's a. She's a force or force of nature. Just so much. And I know so little. Elliot, tell me about 1997's Homo Genie. [00:21:01] Speaker A: Yeah. York is a bit more than just a musician. She's an artist for the capital A. Also, Jake, I have news for you. I hope you're sitting down. I hope you're. You swallowed that swig of memo. Because it's pronounced Bjork. [00:21:15] Speaker B: Bjork. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, she just doesn't correct people. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Oh, Bjork. [00:21:23] Speaker A: Bjerg. Bjork, Bjerg. Bjerg. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Okay, I will. I will honor that for the sake. [00:21:31] Speaker A: Of not annoying everyone that's listening. We can call her Bjork, it's fine, because that seems to be what people call her. But when she introduces herself to people, she says, hello, my name is Bjork, and maybe it's just her accent, all that, but she is an artist. All caps, even. Like, I feel like she just happens to make audio pieces. So we go to Iceland. Are you. Do you know any Icelandic bands or music or anything like that? [00:22:07] Speaker B: So the big one. Cigaros. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Cigaros, which it's actually pronounced. No, I'm just joking. [00:22:16] Speaker B: That one. I. I probably, you know, I call. [00:22:20] Speaker A: It Cigar Roast, but it's probably. That's probably, probably wrong too. I don't know. [00:22:24] Speaker B: I. They're the big one. [00:22:27] Speaker A: Huge, huge fan of cigaras over here. Huge, huge fan. [00:22:31] Speaker B: I. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Big old fan. [00:22:33] Speaker B: I. I've dipped my toe into the waters, but I love what I've heard. [00:22:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:38] Speaker B: Trying to think. I. I know Iceland. I talked about Marty Ducks too, Iceland earlier. It's like Iceland has always kind of like popped up on my pop culture radar. But I unfortunately haven't had the chance to like, really dive in. One of my favorite scenes in any movie takes place in Iceland to see if you can get it. Okay, I'll give you a hint. David Bowie person wig. Ben Stiller. [00:23:07] Speaker A: What? [00:23:08] Speaker B: An open mic. [00:23:10] Speaker A: What? [00:23:12] Speaker B: Remember that scene in Walter Mitty? [00:23:14] Speaker A: Oh, no, He. [00:23:17] Speaker B: He goes to Iceland and he gets a. He gets a ride on an. On an. On a helicopter out onto like a fishing boat because that's where Sean Penn is. And he's. He's in Iceland. And it's this beautiful scene where Chris Christian Wiig is singing a David Bowie song. [00:23:35] Speaker A: How about that? [00:23:36] Speaker B: I love it. [00:23:37] Speaker A: And how would you describe the landscape? [00:23:41] Speaker B: Gorgeous. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Green. Just stunning, I would say. [00:23:47] Speaker A: How would you describe the music of Cigaras and Bjorn? [00:23:51] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Well, it's so. It's so interesting you asked that. I. Where Cigaros is just lush, you know, and just melody on melody. It's just rotten with just like. Just sweetness. Yes. [00:24:07] Speaker A: Dramatic. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Dramatic. Oh, that's like all my notes. [00:24:10] Speaker A: Yeah, just dramatic. Yeah. [00:24:13] Speaker B: This. This album homogenic. And this is. I said it last time. This is the first Bjork album I ever listened to. It's. [00:24:24] Speaker A: It's for the show. For the show, huh? [00:24:27] Speaker B: First ever in my, like, life. Oh, boy. It's. It's very, very cinematic. But this, this album was. It was. I. I found it at times very avant garde, I would say. [00:24:44] Speaker A: Yes. [00:24:47] Speaker B: It was at times minimalist. It was at times, I don't know, maximalist. It was. Had like elements of like Dadaism, you know. It was. [00:24:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a lot, A lot of. A lot of art history. 101 buzzwords. [00:25:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:04] Speaker A: I took our history. [00:25:07] Speaker B: I made an A. [00:25:08] Speaker A: Hey, good for you. [00:25:10] Speaker B: No, this. This. This was an incredible listen. [00:25:14] Speaker A: I think. I think. [00:25:15] Speaker B: I don't think I answered your question, but I hope I got there. [00:25:18] Speaker A: No, no, I got. I got what you're saying. I was just trying to make the comparison of. Of the ice to Icelandic landscape. Icelandic landscape to the music of these people that. These musicians that seem to come out of there. [00:25:30] Speaker B: Right. [00:25:30] Speaker A: I can see that there's something going on there. Maybe you're closer to the polls so you're more magnetized or some nonsense and like your synapses are firing in a different way. Bjork was. Was like, found when she was a kid. She was like Discovered when she was like a little kid and, like singing and she, like, took to instruments. She was a child prodigy. She had a record out when she was 11. It was like a bunch of like, weird, weird covers. It. She doesn't consider it in her discography, but I want to. I want to find that record. I think she, like, sings a Beatles tune or something like that. Like, are you out of your mind? I want to hear that. She ends up, like, moving through the scene with her insane voice in the Atlantic. Like pop and punk and rock and. Music scene. [00:26:22] Speaker B: Like a punk band, right? Was it like the Sugar Cubes or something like that? [00:26:25] Speaker A: She ends up in the Sugar Cubes. Are you familiar with the Sugar Cubes? [00:26:28] Speaker B: I'm not. I just. Actually, it's so weird. Like a week ago, I think, because we're always being listened to. We're like, okay, oh, we're doing beer. And then on my Instagram, it was like a photo of her playing in England with the Sugar Cubes. And she's like 19. Something crazy, crazy young. [00:26:48] Speaker A: She was deeply young. Yeah. She ends up in this band with like a. It's kind of like a super group, I think, like all the top, like, leads and instrumental and members of different Icelandic, like, pop punk stuff in Iceland acquired Bjork or like, you know, coaxed her into the band. And she. She was in the Sugar Cubes. Their. Their track Birthday is really great, but this is like. It's like post punk, like Icelandic breakfast club stuff. It's very, you know, like, very fun and like their album, like dropped in like 88. It was like. It's real fun and like. But like you're listening to this, like, cool, like, kind of post punk, like, we'll be together together Rocket, like. But it's Bjork, so it's like she's like doing this. These insane vocal, like, gymnastics over it. And like, you realize pretty quick, oh, this girl's gonna go solo. So she does. I think she's still friends with all them and all that, her first band and all this. So she drops debut. It's not just a clever name. And like skyrockets. Human behavior is on there. She becomes like this kind of ethereal being rising star kind of thing. She drops post. That's her second album. That's the one with army of Me on there. It's very cool. It's oh so quiet, which is like a musical number. It's balking far out. She starts just cranking this stuff out and then we get to 97. She. She is now, like, kind of into. She leaves like some producers behind that she's worked with a few times because she has now, like, gotten into the, the Manchester and trip hop sound that we talk about a lot. She like, and in fact may or may not have, like, had relationships with Tricky, who we talked about before, Goldie, who we've talked about before. She, you know, produces stuff. She talks to the Massive Attack Crew and all this, and she's like into that world. And she drops homogenic in 97amidst a year that we've talked about before of just electronic music is taking over the world. And she just had to. Just had to put her shit in there. This is not a dance album. This is not. This is not house, you know, techno drum, bass, whatever. This is a, like, as Jake said before, avant garde kind of peace. Like, she chose the name Homogenic for the album as a piece because she wanted to be kind of homogenized. Every song has the same flavor. She always talks about her music in a weird way. She says it's like volcanic. You know, stuff like that, that. She says she's weird. She's super, super weird. But we're all better for it because this is wild. Jake, what did you think? [00:29:54] Speaker B: Oh, it was crazy. It was like I said earlier, it was like, at times it was just like her like, you know, doing, you know, you know, laying vocals down over like a single sin and then. And the next one, it had like an orchestra on it, full blown strings. Y. I, I noticed some themes throughout, like in a couple songs, even one. One song is actually named Unravel, but on Yoga and I apologize if I mispronounce. [00:30:29] Speaker A: She. [00:30:30] Speaker B: She talks about unraveling, you know, and so I, I noticed some like. [00:30:35] Speaker A: Oh, also the little across, like, lyrics are shared between. Yeah, yeah, love that. I kind of love that. [00:30:43] Speaker B: Oh, man, this was. This is crazy. What is she. What is she using to create the sounds on this record? [00:30:54] Speaker A: Me, I don't know. There's. There is one thing to be said. She works with plenty of producers, but she is doing a lot of this herself. She is a gearhead. She collects a lot of. There's a great video on YouTube, if you can find it, of her taking apart a TV and putting it back together. She's like, I like to understand how my TV works. She. She's. She's crazy. And she like really likes electronics and like, I sent you a video like, earlier today on Instagram or like. Yeah, she's like, people think electronic music doesn't have soul, but that's because they forgot to put it into the music. And she. So she's been obsessed with gear and electronics and all this. She's a big old synth head and so God only knows what she's done with this. She's worked with producers like Matmos, which is a duo of guys that like, record ice breaking or liposuction surgeries and make, they make weird. I know, I know. Jake's face. I know, I know. I'll send you a link, bro. But like, they, their whole thing is like, let's try to record the weirdest shit we can and make, like, beats out of it. And that's what she does. Like, we don't know where a lot of this comes from. Some of this stuff on Homogenic, like, okay, there's something 808 here. I don't want that snare is from or I know what that is. And like, oh, this is clearly a, you know, string quartet and all this, but that she's doing a lot of this herself. She is not a pop star, like, rolling in and singing over a track. She is making this stuff and like, working with people to make it, you know, as loud as it needs to be for the album. She artist with a capital A R. [00:32:41] Speaker B: T I S T so I had a couple standout tracks. Yes. One of my favorites was Bachelorette. It reminds me, yeah, yeah. Reminds me of a James Bond song. Oh, you said the word cinematic. This song, my gosh. Like, I could just close my eyes and picture Pierce Brosnan, you know, saving the day. You know, in, in, in 007 movie. [00:33:07] Speaker A: We never got a Bjork Bond theme. [00:33:11] Speaker B: I, I, I, I think she would. And I probably, honestly still, still could crush it. [00:33:16] Speaker A: I wonder if she would even be interested in that, but. Oh, I want to hear it. Yeah, it, it'd be too weird. Instead of guns, can 007 shoot clouds sound weird? You know. [00:33:35] Speaker B: My, probably my favorite, My favorite track on this album was Alarm Call. [00:33:41] Speaker A: Okay. I'm curious about your favorites. [00:33:44] Speaker B: The vocals really stood out to me. And it's probably the most melodic on the album too. I love the synth work on this one. [00:33:52] Speaker A: And all is full of love, dude. All is full of love. [00:33:55] Speaker B: That's like her. When the, when the earth when, when it's cold, I would like to die. You know, which, yeah, I'm saying, like, I, I was going back to that. I was going back to that, that song. While listening to that, it made me think about Moby. [00:34:15] Speaker A: Well, it's like the Closer she said it was like she Said she wanted it at the end, like, because especially after like the darkness of Pluto. I think the trek is before it. Okay. She wanted to be like the sun coming up after a rough night, but it's still all in like one piece, you know, and so you're rejuvenated and like, here we go again kind of thing. Yeah, well, the piece is breathtaking. [00:34:38] Speaker B: Pluto actually was another favorite of mine. It's. It reminded me of like jilted generation prodigy, you know, love. Very hard, very sharp, intense. But now this was. I, like I said famously, have. [00:34:56] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:34:57] Speaker B: I don't know why. What is your first experience with Bjork? [00:35:02] Speaker A: She's always been on the Peripheral. Yeah. And like, and, and especially like in a lot of. In the end, in a lot of preparations for this show, like looking at lists and stuff, like, what am I missing? Like, I'll, you know, if you Google, like, oh, you know, notable electronica albums from the 90s. Because I'm like, yeah, I've forgotten a few. And here we. She tops every list. So she, she is just in this electronica world. But I was so into the dance thing. I kind of missed out on Bjork a bit. I gave my sister for Christmas one year a copy of Selma, which is the vocals from the movie Dancer in the Dark. Are you aware of this film, Dancer in the Dark? [00:35:53] Speaker B: No, I'm not. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Don't worry about it. Don't add it to your list. It's incredible. But it is like gut wrenchingly sad. Bjork stars in it. It is her only like feature a role as an actress or actor, I should say. [00:36:11] Speaker B: Oh, is it directed by Lars von Schear? [00:36:14] Speaker A: Lars Von Trier say no. Who apparently was not great on set with her. And so all that. The movie, the movie which I have seen is Deva stating. But there's like some beautiful moments in it and she's incredible. And I think she won like best Actress at Pan or something like that. So when she wore the swan dress. Remember the swan thing? [00:36:43] Speaker B: See, that's, that's, that's. [00:36:46] Speaker A: That's the Bjorky. [00:36:47] Speaker B: No, yeah, that's like my introduction to, to, to this artist. [00:36:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that was a thing. When she wore the Bjork. When Bjork wore the swan. York fans that are listening right now, Dancing in the Dark. You know, it's required viewing for a hardcore Bjork fan. But, but tread lightly and take breaks. You know, it's like. It's like watching Requiem or something. Like looking for a drink. Oh, man. It's just like, so. Just be very careful. It's so heartbreaking. So deeply heartbreaking. But also astonishing because, like, she can act too. Like, oh my God. Oh. So anyways, my. But my relationship with Bjork, I didn't really have one. I knew she was on peripheral of the electronica world, but she wasn't making like dance tunes. She wasn't making house or techno. And like, I wasn't like collecting her records or anything. I've got a few of them here. I would hear remixes of her yoga or Yoga or whatever you want to call it. Like, I knew it as state of emergency. And there's like a bunch of cool remixes of that one. But like, nothing I would. Yeah. That I have put out. It's so. So ethereal and weird and wild and all that, you know. And I was trying to like, maintain tempos when. When she was like, like flying across my plate. So I didn't. I. I am ill prepared to like, speak to her as an artist, but I do hold her in the utmost respect and I think it's really awesome stuff. After these albums, once we get into the odds, like, she gets weirder and weirder. There. There's an album with like, there's a bunch of great tunes, but then like, she'll put out an album that's like, all the songs are apps and they. [00:38:44] Speaker B: They. [00:38:44] Speaker A: The songs change by where the poles are in the earth. Speaking of the North Pole, like, she's very like, geographic graphically, like in sync and all this. So she just has all these wild ideas. She's a fine artist. When I was in art school, like I was an illustrator, you draw things that people ask you to draw. Got it. But the fine artists we draw, we draw and paint and create things that you people haven't even think. Couldn't even think of. And like, okay, well, fair enough. And that's what she's kind of doing. It's very, you know, avangard, as I said, and like very art for art sake. She's not worried about verse, chorus, you know, verse. Like, she's not worried about pop sensibilities. She's just making this stuff and these pieces and I think it's kind of incredible. And I heard and heard say seemingly like global appeal has like, made her like one of the biggest, I don't know, one of the biggest stars in the world. [00:39:53] Speaker B: Absolutely. She's instantly recognizable, you know, like, you. [00:39:58] Speaker A: Know, she's got a look too. Yeah. [00:40:00] Speaker B: You know, like, in that, you know, from the elaborate, you know, the Makeup and the like, the costumes and you know, like, you just like. Even as someone who is not, you know, or was not, you know, really versed in the world of Bjork, I could go into a record store and there's no. The albums don't have. It's just art, you know, it's just her. [00:40:28] Speaker A: These first three albums are decidedly portraits of her, but just. Just like her weird trans mob recogation, you know, like, it's pretty wild. [00:40:39] Speaker B: Which. Which is the. The iconic one where it's like. It's almost like a black and white picture. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Well, debut is her going like debut. [00:40:48] Speaker B: That's it. [00:40:48] Speaker A: It's like the kind of black and white. Like this is. I am B. I am wearing a sweater. I have made this album for you and for what this album was meant to be played on spoons. I don't know. She's weird. She's weird, dude. [00:41:11] Speaker B: But saying like, she's just like instantly, like. Like I said, I just look it up. I'm like, oh, you know, there's they re released Bjork album or put out a new album. She just. Yeah, I can't think of anyone else who's just so instantly like, you know, just. Oh, without anything on the COVID I mean, she's. And I think that's the first time I've ever actually. Like, maybe the first I've ever actually experienced that. It's like, I don't. I didn't know any of her music, but I know her, you know, she's recognizable. [00:41:43] Speaker A: And I don't think you could listen to a Bjork song and not think it's her. [00:41:49] Speaker B: Like, absolutely. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Like she is noticeable as a. As a person because she has quite a presence and her vocals are undeniable and they're not like anyone else. So I think that's quite a feat. Like, it's a weird diamond in the rough, diamond in the North Pole situation. Oh, in the snow. How do you find a diamond in the snow, dude? Well, we found it with Bjork, I think. And I think it's. She is an artist to follow and to respect. [00:42:21] Speaker B: Absolutely. I checked to see when okay, computer came out, because that's the one, you know, where Radiohead started getting really experimental and. And it was. It was weird, like listening to Homogenic. I. I was just like, oh, this sounds like stuff that Radiohead does, you know, like, yeah, you know, you know, Johnny Greenwood manipulating the switches on the. You know, with. I don't know what they're called, the oscillators. You Know all kinds of like different things. [00:42:49] Speaker A: That's fine. [00:42:50] Speaker B: That works. I saw, I saw Radiohead ACL a couple years ago and it sounded like what Homogenic was. Was doing, you know, like those like wild synths and. Yeah, I, I just. I wish I. I was around in 97 but was not aware of what was going on. I wish I could go back and, and, and be a music fan at this time because gosh, what an exciting period to be a fan of pop music, of rock music, electronica. It just blows my mind that these albums came out in the same year. [00:43:23] Speaker A: Tom and Johnny of Radiohead are big fans of Bjork. Tom has collaborated with her on Dancer in the Dark. Even before we close, I should probably mention that I've met Bjork. [00:43:37] Speaker B: What? So you have some insight when you're. Because the accent you're doing, it's like it sounds quite like her, you know. And so you, you've heard, you've heard her in person. Tell the story. [00:43:52] Speaker A: There's not much of a story. I didn't meet her. I tell this story as I danced with Bjork once. But a more accurate story is that I saw Bjork once while dancing. But it's better if I say I dance with Bjork. So I was at a Mode selector show. This is a German techno duo and they were playing in the east coast city I used to live in. And me and my friends were having a good old time. We're dancing and like Mozilla's like Spraying Champagne. Speaking of. They're spraying Mimos. They have a show called Spraying Mimos. There's Spraying Champagne as the crowd and all that. So I'm like losing my mind. This is great. [00:44:33] Speaker B: Wow. [00:44:34] Speaker A: And then this ethereal being just walks by, seemingly hovering over everyone. And I look and it is Bjork. Now a lot of listeners are going to say, how do you know it was Bjork? Elliot a bit, but just some lady that looks like the craziest person in the world and like the most recognizable person ever. And I would say it was absolutely Bjork. She's a fan of Mozletter. She was in New York to see the show. She was on the dance floor and she walked right by me. I made eye contact with her. I smiled, she smiled back. That was our interaction. I interacted with Bjork and I was dancing. She was dancing a little bit too. And then I made her scrambled eggs in the morning. That's all I ever heard of it. I just had to get that out this is the. I will stand by it. If anyone can prove me. That proves to me that she wasn't at the Moat Selector show in Brooklyn in 2010 or whatever, or 2009 or whatever it was then, I'll admit it. But York was at that show and we crossed paths. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Wow, that's pretty. That's pretty awesome. [00:45:49] Speaker A: I mean, it's kind of. It's not a great story, but it's just. It's absolutely dark. [00:45:54] Speaker B: Well, you had a run in with, like, a global superstar. That's pretty cool. [00:45:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, man. My sisters recently went and saw her in San Francisco, like, recently. And like, her tours are just like. You're basically going to Mars at these shows, man. It sounds like so much fun. Oh, my God. I. I would. I would die to see. Would you. Would you want to see Bjork live? [00:46:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that it would be an experience. It'd be something you have to. [00:46:23] Speaker A: It certainly would be an experience. Yeah. [00:46:26] Speaker B: But, yeah, thanks for. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to listen to this, you know, just brilliant, you know, this brilliant artist. I don't think I would have. Sadly, I don't think I. I would have really dived in as. As much as I did for the show, but I'm glad I did. [00:46:45] Speaker A: Do you think it's an artist you might return to? I be honest. Could be honest. [00:46:49] Speaker B: It's almost like a curiosity. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Like a curio. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like, I've never heard anything like this. You know, where would. [00:47:00] Speaker A: When would you play Bjork? Like, if you had friends over. Something like that. I love the game of, like, what time, what time of day would you play this stuff? I think if everyone's like, screaming. [00:47:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:13] Speaker A: At three in the morning, that's probably the best way to do it. If you want like a. Like an ambiance that, like, kind of means something. I think that's kind of where you. Where you drop it. [00:47:24] Speaker B: I would put. I would put Bjork up there with, like, the Mars Volta. Oh, you know. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Interesting. Interesting comparison. [00:47:32] Speaker B: Locally wise, the Progressive. Absolutely. And Mars Volta. [00:47:37] Speaker A: They're a group that I'm a fan of. Mars Volta, by the way. [00:47:40] Speaker B: Love the Mars Volta. Oh, Marvelta isn't a band that like, you, you know, necessarily just like, I'm gonna put on some Mars Volta. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna chill. [00:47:50] Speaker A: It's like the experience of it all. [00:47:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I would say an experience. I'd like to listen to this record with a good pair of headphones. [00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:58] Speaker B: I'm like a nice 180 gram vinyl. [00:48:01] Speaker A: You want to like, you want to listen to Bjork when you're like laying in a hammock on a rainy day. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Or like, or like playing chess with a silent partner? Something like that. [00:48:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:13] Speaker A: You know. Yeah. Let's try to find the place for these things. [00:48:16] Speaker B: It's. It's a right time and a right place type of sound, you know, and when it is that right time and it is the right place, it's explosive. Many people don't realize what an enormous impact their physical surroundings have on their mental well being. Being surrounded by a home that feels like you and brings beauty and inspiration into your life gives you a feeling of calm and appreciation of the beauty in the world. You fill your home up with furnishings and items one way or another. Why not make them wonderful and a reflection of yourself? 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[00:49:58] Speaker B: Let's do it. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Here we go. I sol the blues Very brokenhearted love Sick dream For you I pay my dues we're getting hot sweat, blood and tears for you so far away so far away so far away so far away so far away so far away. [00:51:10] Speaker B: All right, so we are back with Social Distortions 1990 self titled album. [00:51:16] Speaker A: 90 with a bullet? Yeah, with a bullet. Very 90. [00:51:21] Speaker B: So I'm glad we picked these up and we just. That's why I love doing this show because so, you know, so often we pick these albums without even knowing. They just kind of like really pair well together. [00:51:31] Speaker A: They somehow do. It always happens where homogenic is. [00:51:35] Speaker B: You know, it's, you know, it's avant garde, it's cinematic. Not to say that Social Distortion is not cinematic in its own way. We'll get there. This album is very much meat and potatoes. Country rock and punk all the way. [00:51:56] Speaker A: Also, both of our vocalists that we've chose have lost their shit and beaten the hell out of someone. [00:52:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So, okay, so you read a little about Mr. Mike. [00:52:06] Speaker A: I. I looked into it. I looked into it. [00:52:09] Speaker B: Oh, Mike Ness. All right, so tell me everything. My album this week is, like I said, Social Distortion. All right, so this album was released March 27, 1990. I'm Bad at math, so I'm not even trying to embarrass myself. I've done that before. And this is one that. This is one from a band that I absolutely adore. Social Distortion from the Orange county area of California. Orange county, you might remember. Also produced previous episode the Offspring. So I don't know what they're putting in the water, but I want to get me a drink of that. [00:52:57] Speaker A: That angst. [00:52:59] Speaker B: Angst. Yeah. So. So Social D started off as a. More of a straightforward punk band hardcore band founded by Mike Ness in high school after hearing the Sex Pistols, founded the late 70s, which is so crazy to me, that. And, you know, put out a couple albums. They put out. Pull out the discography, Mommy's Little Monster before disbanding. Because Mike Ness, while I think he's an incredibly gifted songwriter and wrote some of the greatest, you know, cow punk, you know, punk rock songs this side of, you know, 75 has. Has had his struggles, you know, with, you know, drugs and. And other things. Unfortunately, as we always like to say on Sip and Mimos, if you are going through something involving this same thing, please seek help. Reach out. [00:54:04] Speaker A: Reach out. Reach out. Wow. He said reach out. Beautiful. [00:54:08] Speaker B: There are people who love you and people care about you and want to see you do better. So just always like to preface that when talking about these matters. Yeah, but this is an album that came after, you know, Mike Ness, you know, came out of rehab. And I think a lot of the. I think a lot of the songs on this record really reflect that. It's. This is a record where the. The subject matter is looking back at one's life, talking about the dangers of. Of maybe where he was, where he was heading. [00:54:44] Speaker A: Is it about. Is it about healing? [00:54:47] Speaker B: Healing, Absolutely. I think, like, one of my favorites on this one. [00:54:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Let me see. Was it. It could have Been Me. [00:55:00] Speaker A: I like that one, too. [00:55:02] Speaker B: He talks about. He talks. Talks about, like on. Well, I don't want to get too far too. Too ahead of myself, but there's a lot of looking back on this album. [00:55:13] Speaker A: Okay. How old was he when. When this. How old was Ness when this album came out? [00:55:19] Speaker B: He's 60. One now. [00:55:21] Speaker A: Now. Okay. All right. Okay. So 30. [00:55:25] Speaker B: He was 28 when this one came out. [00:55:27] Speaker A: 28. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay, okay. [00:55:30] Speaker B: Listening to his voice, you wouldn't guess that because it's just he's. No one sounds like Mike Ness, but. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Like, but like decidedly late 20s. [00:55:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. [00:55:40] Speaker A: Which seems to be a wrinkle in this one. This guy's seen some. [00:55:44] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:55:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:45] Speaker B: What did you think of Social Distortion? Self titled? [00:55:50] Speaker A: I liked it. I didn't know what quite to think of it because it is such a weird mishmash of country and punk and, and like, you know, there's like all of a sudden it's like some harmonicas and all this. I immediately thought of like. Oh, like all those songs that are in like the beginning of Kevin Smith movies, you know, like that I don't know too well. Do you know what I'm talking about? [00:56:13] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:56:16] Speaker A: Very, you know, certainly country, but like also like Irish and Scottish, like the storytelling vibes to. To it. [00:56:24] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:56:26] Speaker A: And even like, like I was just like one of the songs. I don't even know, but like I was just like. Sounds like a. This could be a monkey's tune if the monkeys did heroin. Like like I'm a Believer, but like if with a little more grime on, it would be like one of these tunes. I, I dug it a very. I was very curious about it. I don't know. That Ring of Fire cover is pretty far out, man. [00:56:51] Speaker B: They. I'm so happy we were able to incorporate Johnny back into the show any way we can. [00:56:56] Speaker A: You're, you're, you're, you are curating well, my man. Listeners, look back to the Johnny Cash episode when I lost my. About Johnny Cash and, and you know, and the daunting task of diving into his discography. But like, here's a Ring of Fire cover and it was. It's cool, man. I'm sure there's a lot of real Fire covers out there, but this one, this one's pretty of note, I would imagine. [00:57:21] Speaker B: Absolutely. So as like I said, I. I love Social. I actually saw them play this album on the 25th anniversary. Oh, it was. [00:57:33] Speaker A: Did you get punched in the head? [00:57:35] Speaker B: I punched someone in the head. [00:57:37] Speaker A: Whoa. Jacob. [00:57:40] Speaker B: I've been very non violent, but it's Social deep. No, it was awesome. So like what they did was they, they lowered down a tarp of the. Of the album artwork, which is fantastic by the way. They started playing the Rolling Stones, Gimme Shelter. I'm not really doing it justice, but they played this like this Rolling Stone song while the band came on stage and they lit the. They lit the. They lit the album artwork up in blue and it was beautiful. The lights went out when they did it. They just. They crushed it. I. I don't want to acl, but they. They play this album front to back, which I address. Probably one of my favorite punk rock albums. [00:58:29] Speaker A: Is that right? [00:58:30] Speaker B: I would say probably top 10 for sure. Or maybe even top 5. [00:58:34] Speaker A: Tell me what they're all about. What's Social Distortions Deal? Well, what attracts you to the music? Is it just like the killer licks, the cool panned guitars and all that, that start every song? That's. That's fun. [00:58:47] Speaker B: I think it's the country. In all honesty. [00:58:50] Speaker A: It's the country. And the harmonica solos, I. It's so like gently country tinged. It's like. Yeah, it's like paprika on your hummus. Like, it's. It's there. You would miss it if it wasn't there. But you could like. You just know it's there. It's like. But it's not like overpowering. It's very interesting. [00:59:12] Speaker B: That's very well put. I. I think what I love about it is. Cuz you. You like, you like. You look at the guys, you know, and they. They look like. Like rockabilly, you know, rockabilly, punk rockers. But then they play. [00:59:29] Speaker A: This is Jake. Jake is holding up his record collection of all these things. They're all leathered up. [00:59:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:35] Speaker A: You know, like, hey, kiss it. [00:59:38] Speaker B: So, you know, I didn't. [00:59:41] Speaker A: I didn't kiss my Bjork vinyl because it's upstairs right now. I haven't borrowed it. [00:59:46] Speaker B: Mike Ness, you know, he's got that. During this one. He's got that great pompadour, you know, he's like. He wears like, you know, the white tank tops with like baggy, like 1950s, like zoot suit pants almost. You know, you've seen these pictures of him. So he's got this like, image of being this, like, you know, this rockabilly guy. But then he writes these like, great, you know, country tinged songs that aren't fast for being a punk band. They're not really fast. They're not Ramones, you know, they're not a band. Like. Yeah, no Effects or the Vandals. Like, they're very. [01:00:29] Speaker A: They're not thrashing. [01:00:31] Speaker B: No, not exactly. You know. And the licks are so tasty. And yes, there's totally a harmonica solo in this. In this. [01:00:40] Speaker A: I dug the harmonica on a few songs too. Right. Jake, can I ask a question? [01:00:44] Speaker B: What's up? [01:00:45] Speaker A: What is rockabilly? [01:00:49] Speaker B: Rockabilly. That's a great question. Rockabilly is. [01:00:52] Speaker A: I thought so too. [01:00:54] Speaker B: It's a. It's an early form of rock and roll. Okay. It's a little. So rockabilly. Think like Paul Perkins, Blue Suede Shoes. A lot of Johnny Cash's early stuff was rockabilly. It's a country tinged rock and roll. [01:01:14] Speaker A: Okay. [01:01:15] Speaker B: Like country songwriting sensibilities with like a driving rock and roll rhythm with like blues guitar licks thrown in there. Social thrushing could be argued as a cow punk band, which. [01:01:27] Speaker A: But there's. But they're so not the like Blink sort of thing, right? Yeah, well, they're. [01:01:32] Speaker B: They're. They could probably like how punk probably like the Cramps. Did you ever listen to the Cramps? Another Lost, another Los Angeles, like country tinged punk rock. It was this like, this like, genre of music popular in like the early 80s where it was like these like punk bands that incorporated, you know, country music. Like, okay, Bucko in. He was like a really early country rock guy. Even Dwight Yocum. Dwight Yoakum used to play shows with LA hardcore and punk bands. You know, these like, great, great stories of him, like playing with like X, which is one of the great California punk bands. So California's really always had this like kind of like country meets punk thing going for it. Country music used to be referred to as hillbilly music. Oh, so they take that, Billy. Rock and roll. Rockabilly. [01:02:31] Speaker A: Rockabilly, yeah. I wrote down, I think you might like this. [01:02:36] Speaker B: What's that? [01:02:37] Speaker A: If you don't. But like listening to this album, I was like, how about calling it Punky Tonk? [01:02:43] Speaker B: Oh my God. That's the. That's the episode title. That's so good. [01:02:50] Speaker A: Thank you. Good night. Thanks for listening. [01:02:53] Speaker B: Good night. This is the last episode. We can't. We're not topping that. [01:02:58] Speaker A: Honky tonk, bro. That's so good. Not bad, right? Oh, how did. How did the western influence get to Cali Gold? People moving west and all this. Like, is it. Is it. Is it more the culture than we think it is? [01:03:15] Speaker B: Absolutely. So like I mentioned Buck Owens. Buck Owens is actually from Bakersfield, California. So he's a Cal. He's a California guy. I mean, Merle Haggard is also a California guy. [01:03:27] Speaker A: Californians. [01:03:28] Speaker B: California. The Californians. So in the 60s you had these songwriters like Ro. Roger McGinn, McGuin. I apologize. It's one of them from the Birds who were. Who was really into like folk Music, you know, and, and country. These guys that came from country backgrounds, you know, that played in Kentucky and Tennessee, but came out to, you know, to California. [01:04:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:01] Speaker B: Another great example is Graham Parsons. He was a guy who was obsessed with Elvis and, and George Jones, one of the great country singers of the 20th century. And he brought his record collection out to California and started introducing all these like, rock and rollers, these like, you know, psychedelic rockers to country music, you know, and it's pretty. It's. It's always been there, you know, like it's. And I think it's really cool how. Because you think, you think California, you think like, especially like in the 60s 70s think like the Beach Boys, you know, you think of like this, the, the hate sound, the hate in. In San Francisco, like Janice Joplin, Grateful Dead, you know, but like embedded in all that were a bunch of like die hard country fans that kept that genre alive on the west coast. And it's really, really cool. Yeah, it's, it's. I. I love it. [01:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. You can see like the bloodstream of it all. Absolutely. Jake, what. What makes. What makes country music country? [01:05:09] Speaker B: Oh, man, this could be debated. [01:05:11] Speaker A: I. Yeah, I think I'm asking you hard questions tonight. I'm sorry. [01:05:16] Speaker B: I love it. I love it. Keeps me sharp. Yeah. I think if country music. There's a great quote. I think. I think Willie Nelson said it. Country chords is. Country music is three chords in the truth. Whoa. [01:05:33] Speaker A: Oh, I love that. Why do I love that so much? [01:05:36] Speaker B: Because that's like. That's the best way to. The best way to describe it. [01:05:40] Speaker A: But punk is very minimal chords too. Right? C and, and so it goes. [01:05:47] Speaker B: I've always felt that there's. There was this, like this parallel between country music and punk rock. One of my friends actually, from school, Dr. Jennifer Ruck, actually wrote her doctorate thesis on the subject. [01:06:09] Speaker A: Wow. [01:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's really cool that, you know, it's shout out, Dr. Ruck. So it's really cool that, you know that. That marriage of country and punk that even, Even you, you know, you, you kind of picked up on that, like the minimalist of punk, you know, and there's. They're so. They're so intertwined, you know, they're. I don't know. It's. It's. It's hard to describe it. They're so. I. I know. I think Hank Williams is super punk rock. Absolutely. Like kicking out the. Kicking out the light bulbs at the Ryman, you know, I mean, that's something Johnny Rotten would Have done. [01:06:51] Speaker A: You know, is this whole podcast, like, about warm weather versus cold weather? Like, am I a cold weather guy and you're warm weather because, like, Michigan. Well, I'm a bit from Michigan. Yeah. But, like, in a literal sense. Well, yeah, literally. [01:07:18] Speaker B: I live, like, literally cold. It's literally cold in Michigan. [01:07:21] Speaker A: Oh, it is quite cold there. Yes. [01:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:24] Speaker A: But I think I'm. I'm always so fascinated about, like, how, like, the temperatures and climates and, like, seasons and, like, living conditions affect the musicians that come out of these cultures. And it seems to me all my guys are cold. They all come from cold places. And a lot of you guys are the California dudes and, like, the Southern dudes, with the only exception of Smashing Pumpkins, which find themselves kind of in a weird middle. [01:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:55] Speaker A: Because they're Chicago, right? [01:07:57] Speaker B: Yeah, which they should be. Seattle. [01:08:00] Speaker A: You know, they're absolutely a saddleband, but, like, they're in Chicago for some reason. But. But Chicago is basically Seattle for nine months out of the year, only frozen the over. So, like, they have a different, like, ticket. I don't know. [01:08:14] Speaker B: I really. [01:08:15] Speaker A: I want to draw, like, a. Draw, like a diagram about how weather and climate, like, affects what the artist's output is. I think it'll be an interesting comparison. [01:08:27] Speaker B: I mean, you think about, like, Norwegian death metal, you know, this. [01:08:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:08:32] Speaker B: I think the word is this. Just, you know, droning, dark, you know, scary at times. And you think, like, what's the weather in Norway? You know, it's like, it's cold all the time. You know, these guys, you know, it's gray. So, I mean, I absolutely, absolutely think that whether an environment affects the, you know, musical output of an artist, for sure. Well, I think one of the. One of the best examples on the rock side is Alice in Chains, you know, like, yeah, Seattle. That's. That's. I mean, we did a Pantera. We did a Pantera and a Corn album on this show. But I think. I still think Dirty is probably the heaviest we've gone for the show. [01:09:15] Speaker A: Heaviest as in heavy? [01:09:17] Speaker B: What, like, just all around sledgehammer, you know, like heavy. [01:09:23] Speaker A: Like, this is deep and sad. [01:09:25] Speaker B: Yeah, Deep, sad, crunching guitars, which also. Which I thought was really neat. The guy that produced Sulk to Distortion also produced Dirt. [01:09:37] Speaker A: How about that? [01:09:39] Speaker B: Love it. [01:09:40] Speaker A: The production was great. I really enjoy. I did enjoy the album. I'm gonna return to it. I like the panning, the seemingly minimal production. And all this was cool and, like, a fresh structure. Listening to a lot of York where it's, like, so precise and like, so produced. Not to say that that's like, overproduced, but like. But, but. But it was nice to hear, like a grungy kind of. But, like specific. Grungy, but specific album, you know, I. [01:10:08] Speaker B: Feel like listening to this record, you could. You can. This record has, like, room to breathe. Does that make sense? Like, it's very. Like. [01:10:16] Speaker A: I like that. Yeah. [01:10:17] Speaker B: It's not. I don't think it's compressed, you know, at all. But neither is Dirt, you know, the guy's name is Dave Jordan, the producer. [01:10:28] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:10:30] Speaker B: Listening to Dirt, listening to this, I'm like. I can hear similarities. Like, it's like the guitars feel like they're. They have, like, room to, like, expand and just kind of like, you. [01:10:41] Speaker A: You could play it in a bedroom, you could play it in a warehouse, and it would still sound pretty cool. [01:10:46] Speaker B: I'm just saying, if you're at like a bar, you throw on. Story of my life. [01:10:53] Speaker A: Or ball. Yeah. [01:10:55] Speaker B: Instant sing along. Oh, yeah. [01:10:57] Speaker A: Wow. Okay. I didn't know how many of my friends, like, knew this. Like, I didn't even ask my mom, like, did you know about Social Distortion? She's like, yeah, I know. That bad. I'm like, what the. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So could not recommend, you know, Social Distortions albums that came after this. I couldn't recommend them more. My personal fave are White Light, White Heat, White Trash, Sex, Love and Rock and Roll. And their latest album, which came out in 2011, which is, as today, 12 years ago now, Hard Times and Nursery Rhymes. That album is fantastic, especially the song Machine Gun Blues. If you enjoyed Social Distortion, definitely check them out. I. I think they're on tour right now. It's. We're recording this in early May 2023. So check them out. If they're coming to your town, I promise you will not regret it. But I'm so happy you like Social D. Check them out. Like I said, they're a lot of fun. Their songs are sad, but they do it in a way that will have you banging your head. [01:12:10] Speaker A: So. [01:12:10] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, so next time I think we're gonna do something a little. A little special. We had such a blast talking about. [01:12:24] Speaker A: Bjork. [01:12:25] Speaker B: Bjork. We had such a blast talking about Jimmy. World Stopped last week. [01:12:32] Speaker A: Oh, oh, I'm sorry. [01:12:34] Speaker B: Or la Last episode. We thought it would be fun, kind of like, you know, kicking off the summer. Because we're recording this, like I said, in May, early May 2023. So we thought we'd maybe do another time jump and see what 2002 has to offer. [01:12:58] Speaker A: Yeah, let's, let's, let's, let's go ahead. Yeah, let's go to, let's go back. Back to the future and go to 2002. Jake, what do you. Any albums of note in 2002? [01:13:11] Speaker B: This is actually around the time when I really started to become a music nerd. You know, I really started, you know, reading the album liners and really taking note as, you know, from the days of, you know, listening to corn self titled and being like, oh, this sounds awesome to wow. This, this makes me feel some type of way. This makes me. What is this? You know, I was maturing, I was getting hair in really weird places, you know. [01:13:44] Speaker A: Oh boy. [01:13:46] Speaker B: And so I, I looked at 2002, I was curious and an album came out by a Canadian singer, songwriter. I'm so excited and grateful for the chance to talk about their album next time. So, Elliot, for our. Yeah, summer kickoff episode. [01:14:09] Speaker A: Okay. [01:14:10] Speaker B: I present to you Avril Lavigne's Let Go. [01:14:21] Speaker A: One question hit me. Is Skater Boy on this one? [01:14:27] Speaker B: This is the Skater Boy one. [01:14:28] Speaker A: I'm. I'm jazzed as all hell. [01:14:31] Speaker B: This one is. It's got complicated. It's got. I'm with you. There's some, there's some heat on this. [01:14:39] Speaker A: Album and this qualifies as radio Rock for you. [01:14:42] Speaker B: Oh yeah, this is the album where Avril kind of. I don't think she, I don't think she, I don't think she knew she was doing it. But this is the album where Apple. Avril kind of came like the queen of pop punk and oh, I'm so excited to dive in. Did you hang out with Avril Lavigne in the city they used to live in? [01:15:09] Speaker A: No. No. [01:15:10] Speaker B: Are you playing drums on this, Rick? [01:15:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I made her eggs in the morning. That seems to be my go to bit. Okay. Since we're going to the year 2002. [01:15:24] Speaker B: Nice. [01:15:26] Speaker A: Thank you. I thought. So I thought it might be a nice time to revisit a friend of ours and one that I think maybe you need to have a little revisit to because he's one of my absolute favorites of all time. And he, he put out an album called the Private Press in 2002 and it's an artist by the name of DJ Shadow. Oh. [01:16:03] Speaker B: DJ Shadow, man. This, this is one that I've grown. Grown more and more of an appreciation for since we recorded. Very excited to dive back in. [01:16:16] Speaker A: So we, we talked at length about introducing in 96. I believe it was. It took him this long until 2002 to put out the Private Press. His follow up, and I think it is quite of note. I think it's astonishing. And I'm also going to send you some live footage because I think his live shows are pretty far out. We could talk about that, too. [01:16:42] Speaker B: All right, so be sure to come back next time and hear us talk about Avril Lavigne's Let Go and DJ Shadow's Private Press, both from the glorious year of 2002. 2002, in my opinion, controversial opinion. Has the, you know, you know, on New Year's Eve, when people get like, the glasses, like the sunglasses of, like, the year 2002, the best version of those glasses. Best glasses, you know. [01:17:15] Speaker A: Okay. [01:17:15] Speaker B: That's just how I feel. [01:17:16] Speaker A: I mean, the most aesthetically pleasing. [01:17:19] Speaker B: Yes, yes, absolutely. [01:17:20] Speaker A: Well, until 2003. [01:17:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, those are. [01:17:27] Speaker A: Those are probably, like, okay too, right? [01:17:30] Speaker B: I can't wait. [01:17:35] Speaker A: It's gonna be a good year, man. [01:17:38] Speaker B: But with that. Thank you. Thank you for listening to this episode of Sipping Mimos. Check out Bjork and Social Distortion. Promise you will not regret it. Be sure to like and subscribe to Sip and Mimos. [01:17:54] Speaker A: Find us on Instagram, hit us up on gmail, sip and mimospodmail.com. send us questions or whatever. We'll answer them on the. On the show. It'd be fun. Yeah. [01:18:04] Speaker B: We've been getting a lot of new listeners, so welcome. If you're stumbling on the show for the first time, welcome. Thank you for. Thank you for listening and giving our. Giving our crazy show an hour or so of your time. We're honored. [01:18:20] Speaker A: Thank you so much for joining me tonight. And to the listeners. Hey, stay sipping. Clink, clink. That was in perfect unison.