Temple Kick (Slipknot vs Nine Inch Nails)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Well, hey. [00:00:01] Speaker B: Hey, bro. [00:00:02] Speaker A: Cheers. [00:00:03] Speaker B: Cheers, my man. [00:00:05] Speaker A: Salute. [00:00:16] Speaker B: Tell me what. Tell me about your martini, dude. [00:00:19] Speaker A: I am drinking an Austin style mexican martini tonight. It's one part tequilas, one part triple sec. I do a dash of orange bitters, lime juice, and olive juice. [00:00:35] Speaker B: What's your tequila of choice? What do you like to have? [00:00:39] Speaker A: So I'm a big believer in salsa. It's fantastic. That's kind of like my go to. I also, like five one, two tequila out of Austria. Very nice. Vanilla. Very good sipping tequila. [00:00:59] Speaker B: Yes, tequila. The nasty stuff gets me in a bad place, but the real good, smooth white stuff, it's very good. The sipping stuff is like, oh, yeah, I can get into this for sure. [00:01:15] Speaker A: Did I ever say about the first time I ever had tequila? [00:01:18] Speaker B: No. Go on. [00:01:19] Speaker A: I had a three amigos type. Get out of here. [00:01:26] Speaker B: My little butter cup. [00:01:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I drank it, and then my knees went out. [00:01:36] Speaker B: No. Yeah. [00:01:37] Speaker A: I was like, whoa. Because at that point, I was, like, a broke 21 year old. So I was, like, doing, like, bud ice. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Bud ice. [00:01:47] Speaker A: Remember that one? Bud lime. Those are, like, my main go to. First time having tequila. I literally almost fell over. It was. [00:01:59] Speaker B: Wow. It hit you that hard? [00:02:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, nuts. But what about you? You said you're drinking something interesting tonight. [00:02:05] Speaker B: I went across the street to the market, and I was, like, looking at the tall boys. I'm like, I should get something interesting, just at least for the show. And I got a lagonitas, tiki fusion, zombie cocktail inspired IPA. It's not great. Orange, lime, grapefruit, and all spice. So it's kind of like. I kind of got, like, a pumpkin. [00:02:31] Speaker A: Spice, like a jerk chicken type with all the. [00:02:37] Speaker B: I would love to marinate some chicken in this. It's also 10%, so I guess I'll see you later. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Later. [00:02:49] Speaker B: I had a cool can. I like Laganius usually. [00:02:53] Speaker A: We've talked about this. I love a good can. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Yeah, good can, good cans. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:00] Speaker B: I mean, if the branding is strong, they're probably doing something right. Right. If they could afford a good design firm, much like one of our bands tonight, which I think has great branding, maybe perhaps both, but we'll get there. [00:03:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Kind of visionaries. It's a very visionary. I can't think of the word based episode. In a lot of ways. I'm excited to dive in. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:30] Speaker A: But before we do that, right. Welcome back to sipping memos. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Yes, of course. I forgot that we're doing a whole. Yeah, you. [00:03:39] Speaker A: You've got the me bros on, right? [00:03:41] Speaker B: I'm Jake. Oh, and I'm Elliot, and together we. [00:03:46] Speaker A: Are sippin'memos, the Internet's premier citrus space libation podcast, wherein Elliot and I discuss radio, rock and electronica albums, oftentimes. But it's been a while over mimosas. Elliot, what's been going on? Have you seen anything? Have you heard anything? Any new restaurants? What you been listening to? [00:04:08] Speaker B: Oh, heavens above. I've been all over the place. I've been real busy. Been working on a lot of car stuff and getting my stupid vehicle that you have to have to exist sorted out and all that, and it's a nightmare. I long for those days where I didn't have a car and I lived in a city with efficient public transit. I won't mention it because I'm getting made fun of. [00:04:30] Speaker A: Not by me. We've discussed this. [00:04:32] Speaker B: All right, thank you. I appreciate that. [00:04:34] Speaker A: I'm fascinated by this northeastern city, but we won't talk about it. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah, but I'm doing okay. A little exhausted, a little anxious, but I'm feeling good. Here's what I've been watching, and it's been on my mind for a little while. I forget what inspired it. I don't know. Someone mentioned it on a podcast, or a friend mentioned it. I dove into a rewatch of the Lord of the Rings. [00:04:58] Speaker A: Let's talk about this. [00:05:00] Speaker B: And I'm going full on extended version, the four and a half hour cuts. So night one, fellowship, all of it. You see, Frodo get me thrill and all that, and they all get the presents, and everyone does this, and it's like, boy, boy, oh, boy, is it long. And then I'm like, cool. And then the night after that, two towers, baby. Let's do this. We are good. Here's my hot take. I haven't yet watched Return of the king, but you better believe I'm going to do it. I got busy last night, so I couldn't do three nights in a row. But I think the theatrical cuts might be better just because they move along a bit better narratively. It's just like, let's tell the story. They're still sprawling and long and epic and all that, but, man, those long, extended cuts, I forgot how, like, boy, they just kind of sit here for a while. There's a lot I've been like, let's take a break from the journey and just sit down for a minute. And they hang out for a bit. But, boy, they're good. They're good. [00:06:08] Speaker A: I don't think I've ever done the extended cuts. I love the original ones. I revisit those every couple of years. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Oh, man. It's always a good rewatch. Yeah. [00:06:22] Speaker A: Talking about Peter Jackson for Halloween, I did a rewatch of one of my faves, actually. I think it was like the first Peter Jackson movie I ever saw because I missed a lot of his horror stuff, like dead alive. I think that's his big one. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I needed frighteners. [00:06:43] Speaker A: That's the one. I watched frighteners a couple of weeks back. Yeah, that movie. It's my jam. I love the frighteners. [00:06:53] Speaker B: I haven't seen that in a long ass time. How did your October spooky season movie marathon end up? [00:07:01] Speaker A: It went really well. My wife shared into the spirit with me and she said, I haven't seen a lot of these classic seventy s and eighty s and ninety s slasher movies. Let's watch some of those. So we watched first nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, part four. I'd never really seen all the Friday the 13th adjacent movies. There's not really a lot there. Yeah, there really isn't. We did all the whole scream franchise and the first scream, like all the. [00:07:39] Speaker B: Way to like six or whatever the new one was. [00:07:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Wow. [00:07:43] Speaker A: So we did all those. And then towards the end, I watched a couple of movies that I hadn't seen before. The Chernobyl Diaries. Not all great Steven footage one you would think it would be. It's not dvd. [00:08:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:02] Speaker A: Let me see. Creep show. Another one of my favorites. It's Stephen King and George Romero. Nice. And of course, we did a double feature of the shining and Dr. Sleep. Did you ever see Dr. Sleep? [00:08:17] Speaker B: No, I have not seen Dr. Sleep. It's good, but it's like a film sequel to the book, right? Not necessarily the film. [00:08:27] Speaker A: Yes and no. It incorporates aspects of both. Dr. Sleep got King's seal of approval, which is cool. Other than that, I just had a birthday, so just turned the big three five. [00:08:45] Speaker B: That's right. Happy birthday, Jake. [00:08:47] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you. We both had a birthday a couple weeks ago. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Happy birthday. We both had a birthday since last record. Yeah, boy, we're just getting up there, man. [00:08:58] Speaker A: I know. Just chugging along. And so it was really funny. My wife was like, what? Did you hear it? And I was like, I just want to smoke a brisket. [00:09:08] Speaker B: She said, okay, hell yeah, brother. [00:09:11] Speaker A: So we've got a brisket. And I was thinking it was going to take all day. I was like, okay, so I'll put it on at midnight. We're talking like 14 hours cook. It'll be ready, be ready around like noon. We'll rest at 2 hours, eat for lunch. That thing was done by like seven. And so we had brisket for breakfast. [00:09:38] Speaker B: Was it a small cut or were you going too hot? [00:09:42] Speaker A: No, it was like a 14 pounder. I kept it at 225. It just finished kind of quick. Also, I also didn't take into account daylight savings time, which happened, so that kind of threw off the process. [00:09:58] Speaker B: That's very funny. Is this milk still good? [00:10:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:03] Speaker B: What do I do? [00:10:05] Speaker A: And so it was like 02:00 twice. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:17] Speaker A: And so last minute we decided, oh, let's just go down to green, Texas. And if you haven't been, Green is a little community located within the city of New Braunfels, Texas. And it's a fabulous time. So check out green. Just a plug for green. [00:10:38] Speaker B: Green hall, right? [00:10:39] Speaker A: Green hall, real famous dance hall. So we went down there and we had a lone star beer. And if you've ever had a lone star beer, it's a beer. It is. It's good. It's like the national beer, Texas. We had a lone star at Green hall. And I honestly think it was like the most delicious lone star I've ever had in my life. [00:10:59] Speaker B: Well, of course, you go to Green hall, you get a lone star. Holy shit. Willie Nelson's going to sit next to you and be like, hey, buddy, what's up? [00:11:08] Speaker A: I would have died. Yeah. And did some record shopping. I found a Waylon Jennings record I've been looking for. [00:11:16] Speaker B: What's digging in green look like? [00:11:18] Speaker A: So there's a really great antique shop there and one of the vendors always has a stacked vinyl selection. I've actually bought a Willie Nelson record there too, and good price. He's got comics and toys. Wish I knew his name because I would give him a shout out. But yeah, if you're in the area, check out green. It's a really cool little place, for sure. [00:11:41] Speaker B: I had a little get together with some friends and family at Jester King here in Austin, southwest Austin. They specialize in what? Bitters, I guess, or no, what? Sour. Sour beers. [00:11:54] Speaker A: Shout out Jester King. [00:11:56] Speaker B: But even if you're not into a sour boy, everything they have is pretty. It's like a beer beer, man, that. [00:12:05] Speaker A: Day the weather was. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Lovely all day. Jester King is like a sprawling farm. They just happen to have a brewery there. There's like goats and was. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was great. [00:12:18] Speaker A: So this morning, in classic Jake fashion, I woke up and had my coffee and I put on the omen in the morning? Yeah, it was like a 730 omen watch. [00:12:34] Speaker B: It's November now. That's how I'm recording. But you're still going through scary movies. [00:12:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm just like trying to see things that I've never seen before. Last night I watched this Sylvester Stallone documentary on Netflix called Sly. [00:12:51] Speaker B: How was that? [00:12:52] Speaker A: It was actually really interesting. I did not realize how passionate about his writing he. [00:12:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Co wrote or. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Wrote? He wrote Rocky and I think that was like his first thing. He got sold and won the Academy Award that year. [00:13:17] Speaker B: I think since then he's been real big on getting a writing credit for most things he's on. [00:13:21] Speaker A: Yeah, well, it was actually really interesting because he talked about that first Rambo and how in the original script was it Rambo was supposed to be killed in first Blood? I believe so. [00:13:36] Speaker B: First Blood's still a dope ass movie. Oh, man. [00:13:40] Speaker A: I saw it for the first time recently and oh, man, I'll always be Arnold for life. [00:13:49] Speaker B: But those. Well, apples and oranges, I would say. [00:13:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I think where Arnold maybe took more risks and did some more Sci-Fi things and kind of like action horror with Predator and total recall and things like that. I think that the big characters that Stallone portrayed were just hit you in the last. That last couple of scenes in ramp, that first blood are just heartbreaking. [00:14:29] Speaker B: His little monologue when he's losing his. Yeah, it's really rough. I think Schwarzenegger wanted to be like, I am a tool. I'm going to work with the best directors, utilize me. And that's why he was real successful with James Cameron and all that. Deploy me, predator. I'm going to be a predator. Awesome. And then Solomon was like, I'm an author. I'm going to write this stuff. Sure, there'll be some action and fun, but I'm going to whip some message at you pretty hard. You will cry at this. And Arnold was not really interested in doing that. [00:15:08] Speaker A: I think maybe his main thing was entertaining to an extent. Stallone was the same way, just kind of like devastating. And he was talking about Rambo and I wish I could. I should have wrote it down. But he says, like, yeah, in the original scene, like, Rambo was supposed to die and at this time there were 20,000. I don't know how true this statistic is. It's just what he says in the movie. He says there's like 20,000 suicides a month from veterans. And I didn't want to play into that narrative. I wanted to show something to veterans that they can make it too. It was something along those lines. And I was like, wow, it was really profound at times. I don't know much about Stallone. [00:16:04] Speaker B: It seems like he wants to do stuff about what he's into. I love boxing. I'm going to make 18 rocky movies. I'm really into supporting veterans. I'm going to make a bunch of Rambo movies. I like singing. I'm going to make a movie with Dolly Parton. And then Arnold wasn't like, I really like Mars. Let's make total recall. It was just more like, let's do know. If you tell me this is a good idea, I'll do know. Kindergarten cop, let's do. And I could draw the parallels right now to our bands. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it was really cool. It made me want to go back. Did you ever see Copland? [00:16:49] Speaker B: It was James Mangold movie, I don't think. [00:16:53] Speaker A: Really, really great movie. The cast is, it's got like De Niro, Stallone. Gosh, it's like a lot of the guys who came out in the Sopranos. So I think Robert Patrick, just like a crazy cast. And Stallone, I think he said he had to gain like 2030 pounds for the role. It's weird. Like when I watched it, he plays like a schlubby, kind of like, kind of like the town joke. No one takes him seriously. And he plays this cop who's, he's a good cop. And I won't spoil anything because I totally recommend it, but in a scene he's with De Niro and De Niro is like a district attorney or something like that. And in the documentary last night, he's like, yeah, this is my really bad sloan. He goes, yeah, I did this scene with De Niro and I wanted him to give me more Bobby. And we were improvising and I gave him something and he didn't give me that Bobby. I wanted him to give me more Bobby. [00:18:11] Speaker B: More Bobby. [00:18:12] Speaker A: He goes, so I started improvising and then it came out and then it showed the scene and it's classic. Like Robert De Niro snapping at, uh. And he goes, I got it. I got what I would, I would definitely check it out. [00:18:29] Speaker B: That's like one of those movies. Like, I haven't seen few, just a few blind spots in those cop dramas. I haven't have not gotten to. [00:18:42] Speaker A: I love heat. Oh God. Val Kilmer is amazing in that movie. [00:18:46] Speaker B: When the movie came out, I was still pretty young and they didn't have an alien in it, so I wasn't too. That's, like, literally why I didn't see it. [00:18:56] Speaker A: It's directed by our friend of the. Did you? And he's also doing a new movie with an even greater friend of the show, our good friend Adam driver. Oh, did you get his text? [00:19:13] Speaker B: No. [00:19:13] Speaker A: You changed your number, right? Okay, I'll forward it to you. He sent it to our group chat. He's doing a new movie with Michael Mann directing about Ferrari. And if I'm not mistaken, he's the founder of the Ferrari car company. [00:19:29] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:30] Speaker A: It looks pretty damn good. How about know we were talking about predator a second ago? [00:19:37] Speaker B: We sure were. [00:19:39] Speaker A: And you know what? My favorite line in that movie is by Jesse the body Ventura. And he's looking up, and one of the guys in the says, he says, you're bleeding, jesse Ventura. And Jesse Ventura goes, I ain't got time to. [00:20:03] Speaker B: I ain't got time to bleed. [00:20:05] Speaker A: And I was thinking what an even better response was, because the guy goes, he shoots a grenade up from his impossible movie gun grenade laundry. And he goes, you got time to duck? I would have said, what did you seem to do, sit there and wait? And let's. Let's strap in. We're going to Des Moines, Iowa. Let's do. We're talking Slipknot. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Here we go. Thanks for making that fire, buddy. It feels so good being here at. Yep. Six lake at Camp Crystal Method. [00:21:27] Speaker B: That's really good. I didn't think. That's really good. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Thank you. We couldn't get away for Halloween. Fell on a Tuesday, but it feels good getting away. Just the me bros having our own little post spooky season. Spooky season chat about a couple spooky albums. And my album is the 1999 self titled debut of Slipknot, hailing from Des Moines, Iowa. [00:22:08] Speaker B: These guys are from Iowa. [00:22:10] Speaker A: They're from Iowa. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:14] Speaker A: So this album dropped 24 years ago, June 29, 1999, came out on Roadrunner Records and was produced by Ross Robinson. Now, if that name sounds familiar, that is because Ross Robinson is a very prolific metal producer. You might know his work from the previous episode, corn, self titled the corn follow up, life is Peachy, sepultura's roots, limp Bizkit's debut, $3 Bill, y'all, and probably my favorite production of his, besides that first corn album at the drive in's relationship of command. [00:23:04] Speaker B: I heard some corn in this one, even in the phrasing and some of the production. But this is my first note is just, holy hell. [00:23:20] Speaker A: So let me ask you, Elliot, what's your history with Slipknot. When was the first time you heard of them? What are these orange red jumpsuits? What's your first memory of Slipknot? [00:23:35] Speaker B: I caught wind of them or heard about them or whatever. Certainly saw them, meaning on tv or whatever, and I was like, oh, these guys have a look and they're going for something. And I thought, is this like some guar shit? Is this an interactive art piece? And I could barely hear the music because they had such a presence. Everything is shouted. Even the drums are all double bass. And I have thoughts on double bass as a drummer. Like the double kick thing, like the. When you roll a kick drum, it sounds insane to me. And it sometimes, like, would you call this thrash? [00:24:25] Speaker A: I think it's kind of all the above. So on the drums, you got Joey Jordison, aka number one. One of the co founders of the band Rip. He passed away last couple of years, but one of my favorite metal drummers. What a creative and dynamic percussionist. [00:24:51] Speaker B: When I'm listening to something so bonkeronies, I always go to the drums first because I'm a drummer, I'm a CJ and all that. And no denying, the drums here are nuts. It's something I could practice for ten years. I probably won't be able to do this. This is pretty wild. [00:25:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Joey Jordison, he's just one of those guys. I think he was really well respected in a lot of different musical communities. He was awesome. He was a really bad strummer. But Slipknot, you got, like I said, des Moines, iowa. Formed in 1995 by Sean Clown Cran, aka number six, the aforementioned Joey Jordison, number one, and Paul Gray, aka number two. He played bass. And Paul Gray actually passed away as well. So two of the family members have passed away. [00:26:00] Speaker B: Rest in peace and thought squad to their family. What's up with the number thing? Do they all work for the cat and the hat? [00:26:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. Okay. So I remember seeing. First seeing Slipknot on a shirt and it was this album artwork and then being they, what's going on? They look scary. I couldn't tell if someone. I think it's Sid with the long nose. I couldn't tell if he was sitting in a chair or he was or the band. Couldn't. I couldn't tell what was going on. They just had these red jumpsuits and these masks. And that started this whole lore about this band. And there's so many different stories. I feel about kind of like their mythology, and I think that's what really made them so provocative. And so you couldn't really look away. And they did it so well. There was another band around this time called Mushroom Head. Do you remember Mushroom head? [00:27:16] Speaker B: I do not. [00:27:17] Speaker A: They did the same thing. They wore masks too. But we're not talking about mushroom head today. No disrespect to Mushroom man, but I think Silva did just did it so well. They were so dedicated to their mass, to their Persona, to the gimmick. [00:27:34] Speaker B: Nine people. [00:27:35] Speaker A: Nine people in this band. So you got. Let's see. So you got Joey, Paul and Chris. And then you had Sid Wilson, zero on the turntables. Chris Fenn number three on percussion. Jim root number four on guitars. Craig one three three. Jones number five on samples. And media, Mick Thompson on guitars. And of course, the lead singer, the iconic Corey Tate, number eight. [00:28:10] Speaker B: But they're numbered. Like it's a number on the call sheet of importance. [00:28:16] Speaker A: I think that's. That must mean something like a baseball lineup. It doesn't look like there's a rhyme or reason to it, which is interesting. [00:28:27] Speaker B: Are the numbers, like, on their costumes and stuff? [00:28:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:30] Speaker B: Wow. And they all have specific masks that they wear? [00:28:34] Speaker A: Yes. And these masks have changed over time. Kind of like still. While still staying true to the original one. They have. Like, for instance, Corey doesn't have those dreadlocks coming out of his. But, I mean, the clown is still the clown. Some of them have gotten more graphic or kind of more like horror based as time went on. But in my personal opinion, these for 1999 are my favorite. I think they're certainly the most guy comedy for sure. [00:29:09] Speaker B: Wow. How did you find out about this game? Where'd you first hear about this? Slipknot. [00:29:15] Speaker A: So I've talked before about my cousin who introduced me to corn and biscuit and the glories of new metal. And Slipknot is no different. I can remember it was like Christmas, probably, and Circus magazine and hit Parader. Did you ever read those? They were like heavy metal rock magazines. [00:29:39] Speaker B: I did not. [00:29:41] Speaker A: But they had posters. And I just remember my cousins had these posters of these guys in, like, orange and red. I think it's orange. I'm colorblind. These jumpsuits, like, jumping around and looking crazy. [00:30:01] Speaker B: They appear to be in a sort of red orange. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Red orange. Okay, so it's one of the two. It's in the middle. Okay. [00:30:07] Speaker B: It's right there in the middle. You're fine. You're not missing out on too much. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Thank you. I remember being like, whoa. What are these guys all about? And then the first song I heard was wait and bleed. It probably was 1999, around the time this album came out. And at the time, I was really into corn, life corn, and listened to bands like Cole Chamber, stuff like that. And it was like Slipknot was. And I hadn't really got into brash metal, aside from old metallica stuff like death metal or anything, but Slipknot was certainly probably my first introduction to the heavier stuff, and I just was enthralled. It was like, what are these drums? They almost sound like tribal, but in their live shows, they're playing, like kegs. They were, like, beating on kegs while playing. And I remember there was a news story, because I think they really got hot on Ozfest in 1999, okay? Which was, if you're not familiar with Ozfest, it was a traveling festival put on by Ozzy Osborne, and they had all the hottest metal acts of the day. If you're a metal fan and you're not familiar, just check out any ozfest lineup. And it's insane. You're talking like, system of a down opening up for, like, black Sabbath and stuff like that. It's crazy. And I remember a news story, and they were like. It was talking about the dangers of heavy metal, them featuring, for a long time, slipknot in concert. And I just remember, I've never seen them. Almost went to go right before the pandemic, but we didn't make it out. But I just remember they were on these risers, and the percussionists were not cranes, but I can't even think of what they were. But they were, like, moving up and down across the stage, and they weren't even, like, playing the drums. They were just, like, banging their heads while holding on to the drums, and they were just jumping around and just crowd surfing, and it just looked like nothing I'd ever seen before. I think I was like, eleven, and I was just like, whoa. What is this? Even being a goofy kid at the time, I knew, I was like, oh, this is different. I love corn, but this is different. [00:32:55] Speaker B: Yeah, these guys are rowdy. These guys are rowdy. [00:32:58] Speaker A: Very much so. What were your thoughts on Slipknot? [00:33:04] Speaker B: Boy, I got to tell you, like, 80 minutes, man, it's a long record. It is the longest of records you can have. I popped it on and that first kind of like the intro track, the little prelude with the numbers, and I was like, okay. And I had just listened to our next album, and I was like, okay, I'm used to some noise. Let's get the atmosphere going and then they just jump kick my temple, and it does not let up. I'm waiting for something or a ballad or anything. Every once in a while, you hear more of the guy's voice on, I think, tracks like no life or something, where he does a little monologue into the song, but otherwise it is just, we're going to beat the shit out of you, and it does not let up for as long as they can fit on a compact disc. [00:34:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Which, famously was 80 minutes, because. [00:34:08] Speaker B: 80 minutes. That's right. [00:34:09] Speaker A: Kills me. [00:34:12] Speaker B: I didn't know they were from Iowa. That feels wild to me. I thought I heard some Cali stuff in know, especially in the lead singer's voice every once in a while when he dropped a register or so. But is Iowa a big metal kind of town? [00:34:30] Speaker A: Not that I know of. I think it's one of those things where, from what I understand, with black metal, like, norwegian black metal, I've never had the pleasure of visiting Norway. If anyone catches us living in Norway, I hope to visit your beautiful country someday. Thank you for listening. But from what I understand, there's these areas of the world where it's just like, there's not much. It's either, like, gloomy or it's cold. You really can't be outside, so, I mean, you're inside and you just create this pulverizing music. You know what I'm saying? [00:35:13] Speaker B: Yeah. They're angry. [00:35:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:16] Speaker B: They're restless. Seems to know you said California. [00:35:22] Speaker A: They actually recorded it in California. [00:35:26] Speaker B: Speaking of the production, I really dug on the panning. They did some left to right speaker stuff, but every time a cool riff would pop in or an amazing drum break, it just turned to fuzz and. Oh, my God. It's just kind of exhausting, isn't it? I think it's probably meant to be. [00:35:52] Speaker A: You got to be in a mood. You got to be going for a run or needing to let out aggression or something. This is, like, great music for that, for sure. [00:36:03] Speaker B: This would be a great album to listen to while you're fitting up a tire at your crossfit class or whatever. [00:36:08] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I totally agree. In their later music videos, clown is literally beating a keg with a baseball bat. Certainly taking it to tires as well. [00:36:24] Speaker B: Are these guys beer drinkers? [00:36:27] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Is that part of the aesthetic? [00:36:29] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:36:31] Speaker B: They seem to clearly have an aesthetic forward idea, because why else would they wear the masks? And follow up? Why nine people? Do you need nine people to make this much noise? Because I've never heard of a metal or hard rock band being that deep. [00:36:53] Speaker A: Yeah, usually that's reserved for, like, sca bands, you know what I'm saying? [00:36:57] Speaker B: Or like some dumb indie rock arcade fire nonsense. [00:37:01] Speaker A: So you have, like, a dj. [00:37:10] Speaker B: So. [00:37:10] Speaker A: You have two percussionists, and then you have a turntable. Someone working the turntables, and you have someone doing samples. [00:37:20] Speaker B: Are these guys, like, shooting blood out in the crowd and stuff? I don't know a lot about these dudes, but it looks crazy. [00:37:27] Speaker A: I don't think so. I think their live shows are probably intense, for sure. I just think they just go wild. Just from the videos I've seen. Did you have any standout tracks? I know there's some interesting. Like, you talked about the scratching and samples and stuff going on. I was interested to hear your thoughts on that. [00:37:51] Speaker B: I really dug the percussion prosthetics. It's like a lot of clang, clang and then cool samples going on there. I was like, oh, okay. Into it, into it, into it. [00:38:03] Speaker A: Prosthetics is actually my personal favorite on the. [00:38:05] Speaker B: Is that right? Oh, wow. [00:38:07] Speaker A: I love. Because it's like. [00:38:14] Speaker B: The drum phrasing is nuts because this guy's playing in between drum beats. It's really. Plenty of people could play fast, but this guy is precise, and that's really. [00:38:28] Speaker A: Impressive when he does those fills where he'll just be drumming. Growing up, I was like, oh, I'm all about the guitars and the screaming, and there's a lot of that. But growing up and listening to it with that mimos ear, there's just so many really cool things going on with those drums. [00:38:50] Speaker B: Who inspired these dudes? Where does the tree grow out from to get to slipknot? [00:38:57] Speaker A: So I think they were all pretty big into death metal. According to their Wikipedia page, while they were in Malibu, California, recording the album, they attended a show by a band called Phantomas, which included members of Face no more and Mr. Bungle. That's Mike Patton. It had Dave Lombardo, who played drums for Slayer, the guitarist from the Melbourne's Buz Osborne, which is really interesting. So they were very influential to the guys in. So I haven't even scratched the surface of faith no more. I know there's probably some really great stuff there. [00:39:46] Speaker B: Oh, wow. We could do an episode on that. [00:39:50] Speaker A: I read somewhere, for sure. I read somewhere that Mike Patton is the most talented vocalist in rock music. He was like, ranked higher than Freddie Mercury. It was crazy. Like, higher than Axel Rose. Like, it's wild. I know nothing about this guy. [00:40:11] Speaker B: Oh, I don't know how you quantify. But. But yeah, he's a wild man. [00:40:17] Speaker A: I think it's like the octaves they can sing in, literally. [00:40:21] Speaker B: He has a wider range than anyone that's on record. Well, he played all the vampire zombies in the last Will Smith movie. [00:40:34] Speaker A: Which one? [00:40:35] Speaker B: I am legend. He's hired for his voice box. He's a wild, wild dude. [00:40:42] Speaker A: I had no idea. [00:40:45] Speaker B: We're going to have to dive into that, man. [00:40:49] Speaker A: I am legend was one of those one and done movies for your boy here. That was devastatingly sad movie. [00:40:55] Speaker B: Because of the dog? [00:40:56] Speaker A: Because of the dog. [00:40:58] Speaker B: All right. [00:41:03] Speaker A: One more thing I'll say on Flipknot. This album has possibly one of the greatest three song sequence, in my opinion. So it starts off with wait and bleed, which was one of the singles of the album. And that one goes into surfacing, starts off with a killer guitar riff, and it's just a mean, mean, tough song. And then after that, it goes into spit it out, which is like a rap rock thrash metal beat down for a long time, those three. Whenever I on old, like, mp3 players that I could only fit, like a couple songs on, and I wanted slipknot, those would be the three songs I would have on there. Those are my fave. But final thoughts on slipknot self titles? [00:42:01] Speaker B: Well, it was an experience, I think Jake and I were joking earlier today before record, about how it's a bright, sunshiny day here in Austin and we're both know some really dark shit. [00:42:18] Speaker A: It's some dower stuff. [00:42:20] Speaker B: It's quite dower. Jake was at target. I was hanging out with my mom. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Did you show your mom slipknot? [00:42:28] Speaker B: I sure did. I was playing her some of our next band, and I started playing some slipknot and she's like, okay, I'll spare you. I just turned it off. Any thoughts on this? She's like, no. Listening to it. I thought it was another one of your California guys. I remember that sounds like Rancid possessed by demons and turned up to 1580 minutes is a lot. And I feel like it's like a big sit for an album like this. But I think that's probably their intention. Drumming is insane. Where would you put these guys? Would you consider them new metal or just metal? Where are they in the pantheon? Where are they in the hierarchy? [00:43:26] Speaker A: I think they came around at the tail end of new metal. I wouldn't consider this new metal. There are certainly aspects of new metal with the electronic elements, the wrapping elements that you. Yeah, I would say this is closer to just like straight up metal. Some might disagree, but I don't know, I think new metal, it's so tricky. It could go either way. I would say this is just like metal. And they certainly, as they went on, just straight up, became a metal band. This one, you can say it could be both. [00:44:09] Speaker B: Did they slow the tempo down eventually or something? [00:44:12] Speaker A: No, they just went even more, like, brutal with it. [00:44:15] Speaker B: Oh, Jesus. [00:44:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Even more melodic, too, which is really interesting. And there's a lot of melody on this record, too. [00:44:24] Speaker B: Well, the lead guy, number eight, is clearly quite the vocalist. And you sent me that stone sour tune. [00:44:35] Speaker A: Do you get a chance to give it a spin? [00:44:37] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. [00:44:38] Speaker A: I mean, he's got a wonderful voice. [00:44:41] Speaker B: Yeah. What range? [00:44:43] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And actually, Corey, he did an interview in a metal magazine and there are, like, ten mixtapes. And from that article, I learned about two bands that I'd never heard of before. It was Slayer and the Foo Fighters. I take that back. I'd heard of Foo Fighters because they were on the radio, but I hadn't heard of Slayer. But the song he picked for Foo Fighters was ever long, and I thought that was so interesting because everlong is a very, like. It's a super melodic, very. The lyrics are very sentimental and certainly not what you hear on self titled album. And I thought that was so interesting. I was like, wow, Corey Taylor. Like this song ever long, it sounds more like an emo song. So I thought that was really cool. I think he's a real interesting guy and he continues to play. You gave it. Glad you gave it a spin. And I would say it's music for a time and place. When you're getting pumped, you're getting ready to do some crossfit, play some rugby. [00:46:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:13] Speaker A: I think it's certainly a touchstone of the genre and kind of like, kind of set metal up for the 21st century, for sure, I would say. Because after this, you had a lot of really interesting bands that came around. Like, they were doing mainstream metal, like, you had system of it down, which were doing a lot of really cool things. We had bands like disturbed who were doing a lot of really interesting things at the time. I think this one really set up the genre, what we have now. Did you enjoy it? [00:46:53] Speaker B: It was an experience. I think I need to be on a treadmill, truly, and also having a stressful week or whatever. I understand that sometimes this kind of stuff can exercise some anxiety out of you. I know it does for me. For me, dance music gets a lot of that energy out of me. And all that. This made me a bit anxious. I was just kind of, like, nervous listening to it, but I think that's kind of the theme of this episode. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Awesome. Well, I'm glad you got to get some slipknot in your life. And now you have it in your back pocket for when I will return. [00:47:38] Speaker B: I will return because I want to give it another go around because I think it deserves it. [00:47:44] Speaker A: I feel like the follow up is even better, in my opinion. 2000 and one's Iowa. There's some bangers, and they have some good songs. Like I said, if you're ever in one of those moods and you know the mood I'm talking about, give slipknot a spin. They'll get you. There's you. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Let me desecrate you let me penetrate. [00:48:46] Speaker A: You you let me complicate you. [00:48:54] Speaker B: Help me I broke apart my inside help. [00:49:00] Speaker A: Me I've got no soul to sell. [00:49:05] Speaker B: Help me the only thing that works. [00:49:08] Speaker A: For me help me get away from myself I wanna fuck you like an animal all right, Elliot, so we've gone to Des Moines, iowa. Let's go to the city of Cleveland, Ohio, where we meet your artist this week. Tell me a little bit about the nine Inch nails. [00:49:48] Speaker B: I'm going to be upfront with you, Jake, and the listeners. Nine Inch chanels is not a band that I know too well. I am a casual fan, but every album on this show that I've submitted to Jake, and then, therefore, the listening audience, I am deeply intimate with. Like, if you play me a sample of it, I could just name the track and what album it is. Nine inch nails, not so much. I know they're jams. I know I've got this rusty beat up, had, like, a whole twelve inch Jake right now. Look how beat up that is. [00:50:28] Speaker A: Damn. Did it get wet? And then just, like, probably could have been worth something. [00:50:34] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. And then, of course, knew them as their hits and all this. And, hey, they sure popped up in the trailer for the Avengers. You and me, we're in this together now. That's the theme. That's the song they play in the Avengers trailer, which is kind of like a pretty mild trailer for such an amazing, culturally shifting movie. [00:51:04] Speaker A: Wait, you're talking Marvel, not the ray finds Uma thermo one? [00:51:08] Speaker B: No, I'm talking Marvel. They have, like, banana sling. Like, Thor grabs his hammer cap, puts it on a shield. [00:51:18] Speaker A: I don't remember this. I need to go back and watch this on YouTube. [00:51:21] Speaker B: I should have sent that to you, too. [00:51:23] Speaker A: Damn it. [00:51:24] Speaker B: I sent Jake a. I bombarded Jake with a bunch of stuff, basically what I know about, and I fell in love with the perfect drug, the song, which I think, from what I understand is on the lost highway soundtrack, and maybe a b side on this one. I think on the follow up to this one or whatever, the downward spiral. And I knew Trent Reznor, and I knew what he was and what he kind of signified, and I knew the goth kids liked him and all that and was a big old deal. I knew their branding. I think it was fantastic. The Back n and all that. How tattooable is that? Oh, my. Someone. I don't know if it's Resner or who, but knows what they're doing on how to make this a brand and an idea. I've got plenty of nice nails like remixes on white label over here. Hadn't sat down to listen to an album of theirs all the way through, top to bottom, start to finish. This one is fucking rough, man. [00:52:36] Speaker A: It's an intense listen. I think the right word. It's nihilistic, it's anarchist, it's sociopathic. [00:52:48] Speaker B: It's nutty, dude. It's nutty. [00:52:51] Speaker A: But there's also some really introspective stuff going on and what we can talk about. Let me see. I know the song hurt was written about Trent's struggles with drugs, right? [00:53:18] Speaker B: I believe so. We've talked about this before, where we talked about cash and how he kind of claimed or reclaimed that sooner or in such a beautiful way. Hurt is the last track on this album, and this album seems to tell a story about a person spiraling into mania and self harm. It's not a sunny day album, man. [00:53:42] Speaker A: No, it is a heavy. Particularly that song. It's a very heavy subject, like we always like to say here on the show whenever we talk about those heavier subjects. If you happen to listen to the song and feel a certain type of way, you are heard, you are seen, you are loved. Please seek that help, because what you do and who you are is very special and very much so matters. So, yeah, just always like to say that whenever we get to those heavier songs. And hurt is certainly heavy song. [00:54:23] Speaker B: This feels like a really paranoid, autobiographical kind of diary of an album. Right. There's a lot of, like, damn the man, all these people in power. I should be in power, and I should therefore be able to fuck everyone I want. [00:54:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:43] Speaker B: Which is, um. I wrote down horny and angry is a dangerous combo. [00:54:52] Speaker A: I know. You're a big seven guy, right? [00:54:54] Speaker B: A big seven guy. I'm a big fincher fan, the director. That's what you mean. [00:55:00] Speaker A: Well, you famously burned off the tips of your fingers. [00:55:09] Speaker B: Okay, that was a macaroni and cheese. Vincent and Jake, I would have you not bring that up. Right. [00:55:19] Speaker A: Like, I don't even know. So I guess I should have looked this up. But when we're chatting, things come to you. Did he have anything to do with. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Seven the opening credits? [00:55:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:31] Speaker B: Or was that guilty by gravity kills? [00:55:35] Speaker A: Gravity kills. Nice pool. Did I call it guilty? Yeah. [00:55:41] Speaker B: Wow. That's staying in. That's good. [00:55:46] Speaker A: That was good. We know what we're talking about on here sometimes. [00:55:52] Speaker B: Yeah, and you're guilty, too. But he went on to do a lot of work with Fincher, and he scored the social network. [00:55:59] Speaker A: That's right. [00:56:00] Speaker B: Which is, like, one of the most astonished. I sent you a clip of the social network earlier. It's one of the most astonishing scores in eerie nail body. Like, oh, we're following a sociopath. Like, it's fucking. Like, there's, like, sawblades grading against piano wire while a beautiful piano plays in the background. It's like this kind of weirdness. And you get to hear it on this album. You can hear his piano playing, which always struck me pretty hard listening to this one. The downward spiral. Every once in a while through the mayhem, it was like, stop. And then, like, a beautiful piano plays and like, oh, my God. This guy's ear for Melody is amazing. And it's all eerie and, like, just dark, chilling. Chilling, yes. [00:56:49] Speaker A: He got his start playing in, like, a synth pop band in the. So that's where that melody absolutely is very present, even in the intense stuff like this. There was one. It's, like, instrumental. I should have wrote it down. [00:57:08] Speaker B: A warm place with the kind of, like, chill, atmospheric. Warm. [00:57:11] Speaker A: Yes. Gorgeous. [00:57:14] Speaker B: Beautiful. How do you feel about his voice? Do you like his voice? [00:57:17] Speaker A: That's something interesting. At times, it sounds kind of, like, whiny. It's not my favorite vocal performance at times. But then on a song like closer just blows me away. And then in the later one, talked about, we're in this together now. His vocals on that one are. [00:57:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:54] Speaker A: I think boy was a big fan of his, for sure. [00:57:57] Speaker B: Boy was always the guy that pushed new sounds. He was a big arcade fire guy. He pushed them to stardom and all that. So before listening to this record, like, other songs, I really like from narrationals, closer, of course, I've heard and hurt everything. Dead souls from the crow soundtrack. [00:58:15] Speaker A: Oh, I wasn't familiar with that one. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Is this guy throwing away b sides to random shit. Because how much mature does this guy have? Because I don't think dead souls is on album. It is breathtaking to me. It's so good. [00:58:30] Speaker A: Dude, the drums on that one are insane. [00:58:35] Speaker B: So the drums. We should talk. Okay. I don't know too much. I don't know too much. Is he programming everything? Is it with him and his weird named friend, our serial dicabris? Or is it him and his band doing this? I know there's a lot of programming going on. Is he a genius? I don't really know. Perhaps that's part of the mystery of this. [00:59:04] Speaker A: So let me see. So I'm checking out the Wikipedia page right now, and it says he frequently sampled excerpts from his guitar session tracks and processed them to sporadic and expressive points. He used acoustic drums in various settings as well as Roland's TR 808 and R 70 drum machines. [00:59:26] Speaker B: 808. How about that? [00:59:27] Speaker A: And these were sampled through multiple akai s. Kurzweil K 2000. That's DJ Shadow's instrument of choice, right? [00:59:42] Speaker B: That's shadow, yeah. [00:59:43] Speaker A: It sounds like a lot of the drums were programmed on rolling pads and processed heavily. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a certain, like, I wrote down the anamanapia. Click, squeak, clang. There's amazing. Squeak as a high hat and clang as a snare. Just beautiful percussion on this one. That doesn't sound like any drum you've ever heard before. [01:00:11] Speaker A: No, it kind of does. [01:00:12] Speaker B: You get the idea? Drums. It's fucking beautiful. [01:00:15] Speaker A: I heard crystal method drum like style drumming. I heard, like, fat boy slim big beat stuff. [01:00:23] Speaker B: The beats are large. The beats are large. [01:00:25] Speaker A: Pinches of those things. But the one artist I heard the most that might surprise you is I heard a ton of Bjork in this music. [01:00:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:35] Speaker A: Tell me more about that from our talk on. Like, I described it as just like an onslaught of sound. There was just, like, so much going on. And buried in there were, like, bjork's vocals. And I feel like a lot of that production style, from homogenic or homogenic, are very much alive in the downward spiral. Would you agree? Am I close? What do you think? [01:01:02] Speaker B: I could get there with the experimentation. And the weird atmospheric noises are going on in the background. [01:01:08] Speaker A: Right. [01:01:09] Speaker B: Because plenty of times everything was a stop on a dime and then hear, like, a weird squealing sound. And what is that? Well, it's not an instrument. We don't know what it is until he tells us. And that's the kind of bjork kind of experimental production stuff, which really kind of blew me away on this one. I really actually very much enjoyed it, even though it's a dark listen, but I think it's astonishing. [01:01:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I know it's been a couple of months since we listened to Bjork, but, I mean, it certainly wasn't dark. This is a very dark record. This is telling a harrowing story. But I felt the same way because it was. This sounds just coming at you, just brutal. But then there would be this sweet kind of melody at points. I heard a lot of bjork. It was kind of wild. I was not expecting that. [01:02:18] Speaker B: It's almost as if Trent Rezzer can't help but put a little cutesy melody in there. It bursts out of him because it's there. But I like the idea of him just recording everything and his guitar fuz and playing around, riffing and all that and then recording that because the whole album has, like, weird samples flying around all over the place. A lot of static, a lot of fuz. And then everything's bit crushed and staggered. I wrote that. Oh, my God. But over it, it's this poetry of a story about someone that is so upset that he's not a sex. Like, it's like Rasputin or like, he's so bummed out that why isn't everyone having sex with me all the time? And there's even some really almost appalling lyrics on this one where I'm like, come on, Trent. What was like, big man with a big gun or whatever? He's just talking about his dick for a minute and a half and then this line just kind of ends and like, oh, that was like a throwaway. But he didn't have to put it on the album, did he? No. Maybe that sounds like a good studio warm up tune to play. So therefore, if it's on here, it must mean something to the story, to the concept of the album, if you want to go concept album with this one. And that is so upsetting and scary. And that's why his shit fits really well with know, I suppose. [01:03:54] Speaker A: Man, we were talking about Melody a second ago and Fincher. I just remember the opening of social network after Zuckerberg gets broken up with. He's walking back and you can tell he's all, like. He's all pissed off. And it's like. [01:04:14] Speaker B: It's playing that don't do bomb, bomb, bomb, boom, boom, boom. [01:04:21] Speaker A: And at the last one, it goes, like, a couple of octaves blow and. [01:04:25] Speaker B: It'S like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. There's an interesting idea behind that sequence where you see it's like a camera that pans around, but Zuckerberg's not in the shot until it starts turning and then he appears and he floats out of frame. And then there's another one. He appears, floats out of frame. This is him traveling through the campus. [01:04:49] Speaker A: There's someone playing violin, I remember, amidst. [01:04:54] Speaker B: A network of people, and he can't plug into it. He doesn't know how to interact with it, and he's angry. And he's going to figure out a way where everyone is on the same wavelength that he is. [01:05:14] Speaker A: That is so good. Damn. [01:05:18] Speaker B: I will bring the world down to its knees so then I can talk to them. That's what that movie is kind of about. Out. I don't do well at parties, so I will raise parties to the ground, so therefore I'm the tallest person in the room. [01:05:36] Speaker A: My friend, you are pretty profound sometimes. I admire the way you're able to pick those things up because me, I'm just like, awesome, man. Look at him go. I love this music. That's crazy. That guy was in zombieland. Cool. And you're getting all this, like, subtext. I'm just like, oh, man. This is why I'm grateful to have this show with you, because I am going to pass that on to someone and they're going to think I'm really smart. [01:06:08] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, please. [01:06:09] Speaker A: I will give credit where credit is due. [01:06:11] Speaker B: All right. I know you always didn't. Final thoughts on the downward spiral? Any songs that blew up to you? How was it to revisit closer and hurt? I don't know. Any thoughts, man? [01:06:26] Speaker A: I've always really enjoyed closer. It was such a hit. It was on the radio. It's kind of like a super dirty. [01:06:38] Speaker B: Scandalous. [01:06:39] Speaker A: And the music video is like really creepy. I remember we were at the rollercade in San Antonio and they had a sticker machine and one of the stickers were bands. And do you remember these where you put like fifty cents in and you would push the silver. You would like push the silver thing in and pull it out and the sticker would come out in between two pieces of white cardboard? [01:07:08] Speaker B: I don't think so, man. [01:07:11] Speaker A: They had like, tattoos, too. [01:07:14] Speaker B: Maybe it's a regional thing. I don't know. [01:07:17] Speaker A: So in the thing, they had like, you could see like third eye blind was on there or corn or rage against the machine or something like that. [01:07:24] Speaker B: You just get band Stickers from a thing. I would have been all over that. Okay. [01:07:28] Speaker A: What a time to be alive and I remember I really wanted corn or third eye blind. This is like 1999. That was my stuff. I put it in and I got it out. And out came this backwards in an I and an n. I said, damn. What? Like nin what? Yeah. I remember being like eleven years old, ten years old. So disappointed. And one of my older cousins was like, oh, you got nine inch nails. Awesome. And maybe like, oh, yeah, totally. [01:08:07] Speaker B: Oh, so you're rolling the dice when you do this? [01:08:09] Speaker A: Yeah, you don't know. [01:08:13] Speaker B: They would have stolen so much of my change. [01:08:15] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. So that was that. And then after that on Eminem's, my name is off of the slim shady lp, he opens it up by saying, hi, kids. Do you like violence? Do you want to see me stick. [01:08:30] Speaker B: Nine inch nails through each nails into my eyelids? Yeah. Eminem. Similar logo. They put a box around his name. [01:08:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:40] Speaker B: Did they put a backwards e towards the end of that? [01:08:42] Speaker A: I think so. [01:08:44] Speaker B: And then if you recall seven, the movie seven, there's the number seven instead of a v in the middle of it. [01:08:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I love a good logo. [01:08:53] Speaker B: This is all coming together. [01:08:55] Speaker A: And then on limp Bizkits, chocolate starfish and hot dog flavored water on the opening track. [01:09:05] Speaker B: Same marketing department. [01:09:06] Speaker A: Same marketing department. [01:09:10] Speaker B: Are you married to the name of the album? [01:09:16] Speaker A: I know you're the artist, but we. [01:09:19] Speaker B: Kind of go for, like, mystique over here. But. Okay. Whatever you like. Whatever you want. Hey, you're the Bob Fred. [01:09:27] Speaker A: We believe in you, Mr. Fred. So the opening song, hot dog, he actually sings in the chorus, I want you like an animal. He basically sings the lyrics to closer. So in a weird way, the nine inch nails have kind of, like, kind of, like, wrapped themselves throughout my musical adolescence in a lot of ways. [01:09:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:55] Speaker A: I only recently started listening to them. I listened to pretty hate machine a couple of years ago. Yeah, that came out in 89. And I was like, ah, damn. Pretty hate machine. And the one that came after this. [01:10:10] Speaker B: Was further, further down. Further, further down the spine, which I think is b sides, right? It has to be. [01:10:16] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Okay, that's not the one. The one I'm thinking about is the fragile. [01:10:21] Speaker B: Fragile. Must have. Is that with together? Is Bowie collab? I'm afraid of Americans. [01:10:35] Speaker A: I didn't realize that was Trent and Bowie. [01:10:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah. R-I-P-R-I-P. [01:10:46] Speaker A: Any opportunity I get to listen to the nine inch notes, I feel like I walk away with a. I feel like I walk away refined because I think Trent Resner is kind of a genius. He's definitely an interesting character, but, gosh, the man can create an atmosphere. [01:11:19] Speaker B: Atmosphere. Atmosphere is the name of the game, I think. And he's got a very successful career as a score composer, and it's all atmosphere. And, boy, you sure feel it on this one, don't you? I really appreciate the. I love the heavy drums and the metal guitars and all that, but when he drops into that, into that piano and into a soundscape, all of a sudden you feel it. You feel it. [01:11:51] Speaker A: Absolutely. He's a really interesting guy. He's really intense. He's unique. And I think that's really special for rock and electronica music. And this is like. I keep on going back to Bjork. This is like that. It pairs so well with Bjork. [01:12:10] Speaker B: Yeah. You pair these two like cheese and. [01:12:13] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Like different sides of the same coin. But, yeah, I will return. Absolutely. Yeah. Because it's really profound, really interesting and dark. Yeah, I'll come back to this one for sure. [01:12:34] Speaker B: Listening to this one, I was like, wow, 94. That feels early for this level of production. And no wonder there's, like, deluxe box edition for this one. And I will apologize to any of 911 fans for any factoids I've missed out on. Again, I am a casual fan. [01:12:55] Speaker A: This is another band with a deep story with a lot of mythology. [01:13:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So I'm sure we've missed a lot. But, hey, you know what? We'll return. How about that? We'll come back to it. [01:13:07] Speaker A: We'll come back to it. You know, a song I went back to recently, and it freaking blew my mind to pieces. What? Blood on the highway. That's not the name of the song, is it? Blood on the Motorway. [01:13:23] Speaker B: Oh. By shadow. [01:13:24] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That song is amazing. [01:13:28] Speaker B: I'm glad you returned to these things. That's so cool. [01:13:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, they'll come up. Like, we were texting about Fluke in that risotto. Yes. You returned to fluke, big dog. [01:13:40] Speaker B: I remember you kind of being a little tepid about Fluke when we covered it. [01:13:45] Speaker A: See, and that's what I love. It's like, things maybe I may have not connected on initial listen, going back with that mimo's ear, I'm just like, oh, yeah. [01:13:56] Speaker B: Sometimes they're growers, not showers, baby. [01:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:02] Speaker B: But, yeah. [01:14:03] Speaker A: Oh, man. Check out our episode on private Press. [01:14:07] Speaker B: By Diesel, shadow and risotto by Fluke. [01:14:10] Speaker A: That risotto. [01:14:12] Speaker B: Of the albums I've submitted to you, probably the most underrated, like, not enough critical acclaim for that one, probably. [01:14:23] Speaker A: So now that we've said everything there could possibly be said about slipknot. Nine inch nails. [01:14:28] Speaker B: Yes. We've covered everything. [01:14:33] Speaker A: Here at sip and mimos. Ellie and I, we're big fans of being thankful and gifting each other. [01:14:42] Speaker B: Are we going to do this again? [01:14:43] Speaker A: Songs? Oh, yeah. We're doing know this is something that we did it for the first time last year. You gifted tiny puffy clouds. Little fluffy clouds little fluffy clouds sipping me. [01:15:00] Speaker B: Yes. And then I did papa dugs for an angel. [01:15:04] Speaker A: Oh, so we've done this two years in a row. Yeah. Wait, I know. I gave you miserable by lit. [01:15:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And then you did jumper first time. [01:15:17] Speaker A: Wow, you have a good memory. [01:15:19] Speaker B: No Internet, no notes. I'm just going. Look at me go. I've already got mine. Go ahead. [01:15:27] Speaker A: I love radio rock. I'm the radio rock guy around here. Sip. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Mimos. You are studios. [01:15:35] Speaker A: And this song is from a band that we've talked about before, but we didn't talk about the album that it appears on. They're one of my favorites. And this song is just gorgeous and has a really wonderful music video with it, too. And I'm super excited to talk about it for our holiday episode. So, Elliot, I'm wrapping this up, putting a bow on top, because next time, we're going to listen to 1979 by the Smashing Pumpkins. [01:16:11] Speaker B: 1979, eh? [01:16:12] Speaker A: 1979. [01:16:17] Speaker B: I get the dust off my Billy Corrigan impression. [01:16:21] Speaker A: Have you ever seen the video of it's someone on a roller coaster, and they just cut that and he's going down. [01:16:33] Speaker B: So this is like, we're gifting each other one song. We're going to do a deep dive into. Yeah. [01:16:37] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:16:39] Speaker B: All right, I'm going to go six underground by sneaker pimps. Finally. What have you been doing? [01:16:50] Speaker A: Well, this one made a sneaky appearance on an earlier episode. [01:16:54] Speaker B: Yes, it did. [01:16:58] Speaker A: But we didn't really dive into it. [01:17:00] Speaker B: Because it appears on can't hardly wait. And it wasn't in the soundtrack. [01:17:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the one where Amanda Beckett comes into the party. [01:17:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Boom, boom, boom. Legit. I want to hear the Trent Reznor reproduction of that one with his keys and all that. Okay. Does that sound okay? [01:17:24] Speaker A: Oh, I love. [01:17:25] Speaker B: Could. I could do another one if you want. [01:17:26] Speaker A: Jake, do you want to do a second song? Do you want to do it? Add to the mixtape. [01:17:31] Speaker B: What was your second? I'm curious. [01:17:34] Speaker A: Well, man, I don't know. I didn't have one lined up. [01:17:39] Speaker B: I didn't have one line up either, dude, but you dropped that on me. I could do that one right now. [01:17:47] Speaker A: Let's do two songs. Really? [01:17:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, heavens above. Okay, do you have the other one? Yeah. Yes. [01:17:58] Speaker A: All right, we're going to switch it up this year. [01:18:02] Speaker B: Jake's feeling greedy. [01:18:05] Speaker A: Well, because you got me all pumped for that sneaker pimp song, because I love that song. [01:18:11] Speaker B: Of course, he's kind of touched on it before, too, so there's not, maybe not much to approach. Okay, so you've got smashing pumpkins, 1979. I've got sneaker pimps, 600 ground. You want to drop a second one? [01:18:28] Speaker A: I got one. And I'm actually really glad to do it this way because the album it's on, it's beloved. I know it's a touchstone of the brit pop movement in the 90s, but I haven't connected with the album. I never really did. I love some of the singles on it. That being said, this song was also featured in a 90s teen drama starring Sarah Michelle Geller, Ryan Philippe and Reese Witherspoon. This song has a really interesting story to it, and I'm actually really excited to research it. I know there's things involving the Rolling Stones. [01:19:18] Speaker B: Okay, go on. [01:19:20] Speaker A: I love the stones. I'm just going to stop talking and tell you. So my second song for our holiday episode, sipping mistletoes, is bittersweet Symphony. The verve. [01:19:36] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. How about that? [01:19:42] Speaker A: Urban hymns. Like I said, touchstone. But I think I've just been such a big oasis fan. I compare everything else to that. I just never really connected with the album that this one's on. [01:19:56] Speaker B: But we can talk about that when we get go. For my second song, since we're doing two this year, I'm going to go. Children by Robert Miles. [01:20:07] Speaker A: Okay. I'm not familiar with this one. [01:20:10] Speaker B: You do you know it? [01:20:12] Speaker A: Robert Miles. [01:20:14] Speaker B: Let me see. [01:20:14] Speaker A: Okay. It's one of his big songs. I'm going to play it in my ear. Let's see. [01:20:22] Speaker B: You've mentioned it on the show before. You've mentioned it on the show before, dude. [01:20:29] Speaker A: Okay, I'm saving this. [01:20:31] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:20:33] Speaker A: My cousin Missy gave me in 2003. [01:20:37] Speaker B: We've talked about. This one's for you, missy. Yes. Okay. [01:20:44] Speaker A: You had told me, we were talking about it before and we were coming back from a show. It was during the pandemic, so it was 2001, I think. And I was like, oh, yeah, have you heard of this song? And you sent it to me. You're like, oh, yeah. But then I got a new phone and lost my text messages and I couldn't find it. [01:21:04] Speaker B: You forgot what it was called? [01:21:06] Speaker A: I forgot what it was called. I thought it was called, like, waterfall or something. [01:21:09] Speaker B: I just closed the snaps in your brain. Absolutely fantastic. How about that? That's. Wow. Because I had, like, three different things I could choose from. Nah. Let's do Robert Miles children. This song, because I think Jake likes it. [01:21:23] Speaker A: We'll talk about it on the episode. But this song made me ask for a synthesizer for Christmas. Oh, I'm so excited. [01:21:31] Speaker B: Wow. We got four Jamie jams to talk about. Maybe we should consider adjusting the show and just make it playlist like status. But I do love. I'm an album guy. I think you are too. But maybe we could talk about that in the next year. I love this idea. We got four awesome songs to talk about. I'm very excited. [01:21:53] Speaker A: We got brit pop, we got synth pop, we got tronica. I don't know what 1979 is, so excited. But with that, thank you for listening to another episode of Sip and memos. If you're hitting the gym, put on some slipknot if you want some introspective electronic music electronica, give nine inch nails downward spiral a listen. There's a lot in there. Very drum heavy records for sure. [01:22:28] Speaker B: Put on a Fincher movie or a movie that looks kind of green, keep it on mute and play downward spiral. It'll match up music beautifully. [01:22:37] Speaker A: So I mentioned the Omen earlier. I had the omen on in the background while I listened to downward Spiral. Matched perfectly. It was like, of course, King Floyd and Oz. It was nuts. [01:22:49] Speaker B: Wow. I love that. I actually love. Yeah. [01:22:54] Speaker A: If you haven't already, please like and subscribe. Leave us a rating. Shoot us an email at [email protected]. Let us know if you want us to talk about a specific band. We'd be happy to check that out. [01:23:11] Speaker B: If you leave us a review, like type one out on Apple Podcasts or whatever, we will read it on the air and give you a shout out. [01:23:18] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:23:19] Speaker B: Even if it's bad. Yeah, I think the algorithm really likes those reviews, so just do that. And also, more importantly, above anything, tell your friends that you listen to the show if you like it. [01:23:32] Speaker A: Absolutely. And if you're here because you're a huge, nice nails fan or a Slipknot fan, or you're a big fan of mimosas, like us too. Thanks for finding us and we hope you come back. [01:23:47] Speaker B: Give us a follow new friends, give. [01:23:50] Speaker A: Us a follow on Instagram. We're at sipping memos pod. Well, I think we did it. [01:23:56] Speaker B: I think we did. [01:23:57] Speaker A: I'm super excited to do our mixtape next time. [01:24:00] Speaker B: I love the new year mixtape. I have holiday mixtape. I'm very excited. That'd be fun. That'd be great. All right, buddy. Hang in there, man. What a treat. What a dream, what a dream, what. [01:24:15] Speaker A: A dream, what a dream. [01:24:18] Speaker B: Hashtag what a dream, what a dream. All right, we could do that one. [01:24:26] Speaker A: But as long as we keep our. [01:24:27] Speaker B: Original hashtag of hey, Stacey, stay sipping clink clink din.