Sad Brunch (Cher vs Neutral Milk Hotel)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey. [00:00:00] Speaker B: Hey, bro. [00:00:02] Speaker A: Cheers. [00:00:03] Speaker B: Cheers, budy link. Is that a little jar of wine? [00:00:19] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, I got some. Got some cabernet tonight. It has sulfites, which I read all about last night in a fit of worry, turns out. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Why were you so worried about sulfites? [00:00:35] Speaker A: I thought poisoning myself. [00:00:39] Speaker B: I worry about that all the time. [00:00:41] Speaker A: But it turns out they're not that bad. Some people have sulfite allergies that will lead them to have headaches, but knock on wood, I'm not one of those folks. [00:00:51] Speaker B: What are they called, Liam? Topappics. What are they called? [00:00:56] Speaker A: A sulfite allergy. [00:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I've never heard a word like that before in my life. Is that a character from Dune? [00:01:07] Speaker A: Welcome back to Sip of Mimos. You've got Jake and Elliot here. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Hi. [00:01:13] Speaker A: Your favorite pair of Internet buddies that love to get together and talk about 90s rock and electronica. [00:01:20] Speaker B: This is true. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Now, if this is your first time tuning into sipping memos, this is the Internet's premier show, wherein Elliot and I take deep dives into select radio, rock, and electronica albums. Oftentimes, but not necessarily all the time, while over a delicious mimosa. [00:01:43] Speaker B: Elliot. Yes, sir. [00:01:45] Speaker A: What's been new? Tell me what you've seen tell me. [00:01:48] Speaker B: What you've tasted. [00:01:51] Speaker A: Heard lately. [00:01:55] Speaker B: Wish you could have given me a heads up on this one. You've never asked me this question before. I was feeling down the other night and just rips through the entire first season of Ted Lasso again. That made me feel things that make. [00:02:07] Speaker A: You feel good, that make you feel something. [00:02:09] Speaker B: I was there to cancel my Apple TV because I'm like, I don't watch this ever. And then I was like, oh, I should probably check out that third season. But it's been a while since I watched the first. And then that's how they get you. I'm like, all right, man. [00:02:24] Speaker A: That third season, have you seen it? [00:02:27] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I have not. That's why I watched the first over again. I remember the second season being kind of, well, Schmalt C. But that's the whole thing is kind of that, and I adore that about it. So I need to finish that up, and then as soon as I finish that, I'm sure the new season of severance will drop, and I'm like, ah, damn it. And they'll get me again because that show is dope, man. [00:02:52] Speaker A: I actually ordered the soundtrack on vinyl from Mondo, and it came in the. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Split thing or whatever. Isn't it a cool packaging? [00:03:03] Speaker A: I got the happy Hour fun dance version, where it comes in a blue Manila folder that they get on the show. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Cool. [00:03:14] Speaker A: And different pieces of art in there. I've talked about Mondo before, but, man, they do such a good job. [00:03:22] Speaker B: From what I understand, a bit of jeopardy and ownership has been moving around a little bit. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:28] Speaker B: Maybe if you see some Mondo prints or vinyl, grab it, because you never know when it might be an extreme collector's item. I've been chasing their fight Club soundtrack for a long time, but it's a difficult one because I don't know if you're familiar with the packaging. You have to rip it apart to open it because it's cool. Because it's like, it's sealed in a way where the cardboard around the LP is sealed within the cardboard and you have to tear the packaging apart to get into it. [00:04:00] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:04:01] Speaker B: Because the messaging is like, break away. Stop giving shit about objects and all this. Just listen to the music, which is kind of brilliant. So I think I need two copies. [00:04:16] Speaker A: This I understand. [00:04:18] Speaker B: Yeah. But some of them are pink, some of them are blue. Is very interesting to me. I've been a fan of that score for a long time. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Who did the score to Fight Club? [00:04:28] Speaker B: That is the Dust Brothers. [00:04:29] Speaker A: Okay. I was going to say, I thought it was like the Chemical Brothers. It's a different set of brothers. [00:04:34] Speaker B: Different set of brothers. In fact, the chemical Brothers used to be called the Dust Brothers. And then they had to change the name because the Dust Brothers American became so popular by producing big bands, including Hansen. And they made umbop. And then the chemical brothers were popping know, and so they changed their name to the Kembros and leaving Dust Brothers to the American duo. [00:04:59] Speaker A: I remember this. It's all coming full circle. [00:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah. It's come up before, I think. [00:05:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:05] Speaker B: Welcome back to a rerun of sipping Mimos. [00:05:10] Speaker A: That's awesome. Yeah. I'm a big fan of the Mondo stuff, but another label, I think I've talked about them, too. Waxwork out of New Orleans. And I'm getting into a Louisiana mood because one of our bands tonight is definitely from Louisiana. [00:05:29] Speaker B: This is true. [00:05:30] Speaker A: But the thing. Have I showed you this one? [00:05:33] Speaker B: This is the one that breaks me, that when we were talking. Yeah, yeah. Look at. Oh, boy. That's a handsome thing. [00:05:41] Speaker A: I'm so Morcone, right? [00:05:45] Speaker B: Not Carpenter. [00:05:46] Speaker A: Yeah. He did the score for something else, too, that I was so surprised, and I meant to take a note of it. [00:05:54] Speaker B: Moroccone. [00:05:55] Speaker A: Yeah. It was like one where I was like, I never would have thought of that. Let me see. No, it was like backdraft or something. [00:06:02] Speaker B: Oh, really, man? [00:06:04] Speaker A: Because I love that. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Never. I've never seen backdraft. [00:06:10] Speaker A: The Untouchables. The Brian de Palma movie. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Oh, cool. [00:06:15] Speaker A: With Sean Connery. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Sean Connery in the Untouchables. Boy, what year? What year? That is 87, late 80s, early 90s cop drama, R rated stuff. Just a black hole for me. [00:06:31] Speaker A: I could see that. I went through a really big Costner phase. I go through really big Costner phases. [00:06:39] Speaker B: We've had an episode called Costner Kick before, as you mentioned before. Welcome back to another rerun. Sipping memos. Are we out of things to talk about? What's happening? There's a crisis of the pod. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Well, I go through these Costner phases, as I've said, and he's great in that one. And Sean Connery, that's the only movie he ever won an Oscar for Best supporting Sean Connery. [00:07:08] Speaker B: That's his only Oscar. [00:07:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:11] Speaker B: I would have given it to him for the Rock. What would you have given it to him for? Entrapment. [00:07:19] Speaker A: League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:24] Speaker A: The movie that forced him. Well, it's not forced, but the movie that, he was just like, I'm done. [00:07:30] Speaker B: He's like, yeah, I don't think I'd understand this anymore. I'm out of here. How about yourself? Have you seen anything, listened to anything, tasted anything? Awesome. [00:07:39] Speaker A: So we're officially in spooky season. So I've just been just devouring horror movies. [00:07:48] Speaker B: Do you have a whole lineup? You're going to go 31 horror movies, one a day kind of thing because you've done that before, right? Yeah. [00:07:55] Speaker A: So I did it last year and it was a blast. I don't have a lineup. My wife hasn't seen a lot of the classics, so I'm kind of, like, programming some really cool ones for her to check out. So we did scream the first scream this past weekend. No. You're so iffy on Scream. You're not a Wilson head. [00:08:15] Speaker B: I'm not a Wes Craven guy. I don't get. Don't. I don't see the separation. I don't see why it's a satire. I really don't. This is just a shitty version of a movie that could be cool. Oh, it's satire. Scream. Yeah. And all this following sequels, I'm like, there's a certain point where they're watching a movie called Stab or whatever, and I'm like, okay, that's the satire. Okay, well, let's make that movie then. And it's just like, I find the violence perverse. And I hate all the characters. I'm like, why am I watching this? Is it meant to be a comedy? Because it's not that funny. But if I was going to watch any of them, I would watch that first one. [00:08:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, is it all craven? Will you give, like, Nightmare on Elm Street a pass? [00:08:59] Speaker B: I think I like that new nightmare idea. So that's a satire. That's cool. Like, where he breaks into the real world or whatever, out of the film actors. But I haven't seen it, so you know what? Maybe I'm just uneducated. I don't know. Growing up, those movies were the biggest deal, and I just didn't care for them necessarily. So it's on me. I'm working on myself, as we all don't. I don't get it. [00:09:25] Speaker A: I feel you. As I've gotten older, I've come to realize that I prefer the movies of Carpenter more. [00:09:33] Speaker B: For sure. [00:09:36] Speaker A: We watched the first Halloween back in August because I found my DVD copy and I couldn't wait. [00:09:43] Speaker B: You found your DVD cop and Carpentee. Oh, my God. Copy. [00:09:49] Speaker A: And it was, like, still in the shrink, too, which is nice. [00:09:52] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:09:52] Speaker A: I think I may have bought it right as I was getting into the Blu ray game. You didn't mess around the Blu ray game. So I was just like, no way. But I never owned that movie on the Blu ray. I've gone back and watched all the Friday the 13th talk about bad slashers. [00:10:11] Speaker B: All of them. Yeah. [00:10:12] Speaker A: Well, I'm on part nine right now. [00:10:16] Speaker B: What's it been to your mind? [00:10:19] Speaker A: Nothing good. I imagine they're bad. They can't look away. Bad? [00:10:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:26] Speaker A: If you're interested in them, I would say one, three. Okay, just one and three as, like, the essential ones. Those are the ones we'll probably watch. I'll probably watch with my wife. I wouldn't want her to. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Has she missed a big classic that you consider a classic? And have you missed a big classic that you haven't seen that you might need to put in the list? What's one you've missed entirely and like. [00:10:52] Speaker A: Oh, boy, that's a great question. [00:10:55] Speaker B: I know. That's why I asked. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Hmm. I'd like to watch the rest of the Universal Monster movies. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Oh, like the old school classiques? [00:11:09] Speaker A: Yeah. I saw Dracula last year. It was creepy. Like, super creepy. [00:11:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:11:15] Speaker A: And very short, too. Those movies are short. They're like an hour and ten minutes. [00:11:19] Speaker B: The old ones. Yeah, if that. [00:11:22] Speaker A: I think the mummy and the Wolf man and Frankenstein are streaming on one of the platforms. So I'd like to check those off. This year, the movie I'm most excited to show my wife is probably Shining. [00:11:35] Speaker B: She hasn't seen the Shining. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:40] Speaker B: You better make an awesome dinner before watching the Shining just so she feels comfortable. [00:11:52] Speaker A: But the Shining in the, weirdly, in the pandemic became one of my comfort movies. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:00] Speaker A: I adore that movie, and I'm really excited to show it to her. And also just to watch Doctor Sleep again. I love Doctor Sleep. [00:12:12] Speaker B: Didn't see that one. [00:12:14] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:12:15] Speaker B: After your wife watches the Shining for the first time, when she's like brushing her teeth, getting ready for bed, you just pull out the typewriter clicking away. He's like, Jake, what is it, darling? [00:12:29] Speaker A: Man, I'm so excited. I want to wait for like a night that's kind of cool outside. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Can't wait. [00:12:37] Speaker A: It might be one of those like, babe, I know we had plans, but it's supposed to get down to 73. We're watching the Shining. I've been waiting all year for this. [00:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Have you seen the descent? [00:12:51] Speaker A: Oh, Man. When it first came out. But I can handle a lot. Claustrophobia. [00:13:00] Speaker B: Okay, I think we've talked about this one before too. But just one of my go to recommends for people, like, looking for something scary. Elliot, what do you think? Like, descent, it's the craziest shit I've ever seen in a while. And it's not like so gory or whatever that will turn people off. It's not so upsetting, but it is upsetting. It's a horror movie, but it is scary and kind of wild, but it has that little sprinkle of adventure on top of the horror that makes it processible, where you're not just bummed out the whole time. So I like that in a horror movie, well, someone has to try to get out of know and that's what makes it kind of fun. [00:13:43] Speaker A: I think I just have a fear of just. No, no thanks. I just about freaked out in Batman begins, just when it was mentioned. [00:13:56] Speaker B: In Batman Begins, when he's like splunking looking for the Blue Rose and shit. [00:14:03] Speaker A: Well, remember when he's getting the body armor and he's just like, Mr. Wayne, what do you need this for? And he's like splunking. And he was like, Mr. Wayne, you don't have to lie to me. [00:14:13] Speaker B: You don't have to lie to me. But don't think I'm a fool. I think it's a line which is pretty great. [00:14:19] Speaker A: And a new one I watched recently was no one will save you. Have you heard about this? [00:14:24] Speaker B: No. [00:14:24] Speaker A: Director is Brian Duffield. I'm not familiar with their work, but it stars Caitlin Dever. She was in. [00:14:33] Speaker B: I have. I've seen something about this. Go on. I loved her in Booksmart. It was like. It's like a home invasion kind of situation. [00:14:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:41] Speaker B: It's like Sci-Fi but it gets a little wild. [00:14:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So there's like no dialogue in the entire movie, which love. Which is different, for sure, especially when it's a movie that involves. I don't think there's like a spoiler for it because she's literally in a tractor beam going up into the sky. On the poster. She's fighting off aliens the entire time. [00:15:03] Speaker B: I haven't seen the poster, but. Okay. Thank you for that. I'm sorry. I heard it up at the alien thing. Okay. That one's worth watching. [00:15:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say so. It's different. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. If your voice goes up, that means you didn't like it that much. [00:15:16] Speaker A: I gave it two and a half stars on the old letterbox. The old letterbox, I would say just for her performance. Definitely. Check it out. It's also some really cool imagery, interpretations of the gray alien. Some of them are actually really kind of cute. [00:15:35] Speaker B: Right on. [00:15:36] Speaker A: At times I was like, oh, he's trying to give her a hug. Come on. He's so cute. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Look at him. He's gray. I don't like it. [00:15:42] Speaker A: I don't think I've watched the Blair witch project all the way through. [00:15:46] Speaker B: You've never watched it all the way through? Are you serious? Yeah. [00:15:48] Speaker A: I've seen, like the end, but I don't think I've watched the whole thing all the way through. That might be my biggest modern. [00:15:54] Speaker B: How did you just watch the end? You skipped ahead. You read the last chapter of the book and they're like, I don't like it. [00:16:01] Speaker A: I think so. I remember a friend maybe had it on VHS, and maybe that's like my earliest memory of that is that iconic last scene. But I don't think I've ever seen it all the way through. [00:16:15] Speaker B: Add that to your list, buddy. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Is it as good as the sequel, the Blair Witch? [00:16:23] Speaker B: I think Bold Stancer. I think it might be better than any sequel to it. I think the original is probably the one you want to watch. And if you've got it on VHS, I'd watch it on that because it's fun. [00:16:35] Speaker A: Oh, it's Book of Shadows, Blair Witch two. [00:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Don't watch that, please don't do that. [00:16:40] Speaker A: I won't do that to myself. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah. I turned 41 in the next few weeks. [00:16:48] Speaker A: Oh, shoot. [00:16:49] Speaker B: Yeah. No Halloween plans, no birthday plans. [00:16:55] Speaker A: We got to get together, get at least a brew. [00:16:57] Speaker B: I would love to. You want to? [00:16:59] Speaker A: The Me bros got to at least get a beer for the birthday. [00:17:03] Speaker B: My B day is October 23 if you want to hang. [00:17:06] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. Like I was talking earlier, it's straight up year's. This year's almost done, bro. [00:17:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:18] Speaker A: Can you believe it, Elliot? Can you believe in life after love? [00:17:30] Speaker B: I think I might be able to. Yeah. Are we ready? [00:17:34] Speaker A: Let's do it. I'm buckling in. Blast off. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Here we go. You. No matter how hard I try? You keep pushing me aside? And I can'T break through? There's no talking to you? It's so sad that you're leaving takes time to believe it? But after all said and done? You're gonna be the only one. I was so curious. Like, I figured, like, no, he's going to transition with Cher first because there's no transitioning to Neutral milk. Which one of these lyrics this kind of reminds me of Seton stains the mountaintops. I'm like, no, you're not going to be able to pump. You're not going to be able to transition into an album like that. [00:18:49] Speaker A: No. I've been giving a lot of time reading the works of Karl Marx, and I think I might be a communist or something. [00:18:57] Speaker B: Communist daughter. [00:18:59] Speaker A: Communist. That would have been. Oh, yeah. [00:19:01] Speaker B: All right. What kind of work? [00:19:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it would have been a stretch. I'm losing light just in case I run for office someday. [00:19:08] Speaker B: I'll cut it out. This is all right, man. Let's do. Let's talk Cher. [00:19:16] Speaker A: My album this week is actually celebrating its 25th anniversary this month. [00:19:23] Speaker B: Another anniversary one. I love it. [00:19:25] Speaker A: I did not plan that. [00:19:27] Speaker B: Yeah, these things happen. [00:19:28] Speaker A: I brought to the table 1998 believe. [00:19:33] Speaker B: October. October 22. Day before my birthday. [00:19:36] Speaker A: Oh, shoot. [00:19:37] Speaker B: That's right. Happy birthday to me. Share. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. [00:19:42] Speaker A: By the iconic Cher. [00:19:46] Speaker B: Cher. [00:19:47] Speaker A: Elliot. [00:19:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:49] Speaker A: What were your thoughts on Believe? [00:19:53] Speaker B: You know, I had, of course, heard the song before Believe, the big old single off of it, because I was ever present. Oh, God. Okay, all right. Settle down. [00:20:05] Speaker A: That was a good. [00:20:07] Speaker B: And it's a good tune. As I approach death, I'm trying not to be cynical about anyone's music. Just like Eifoll 65 four. I'm not trying to ray of Light, but if you do the math, this is her Ray of light. Or at least her response to it seems to be. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Absolutely. I was going to say I believed this album more than Ray of Light. Does that make sense? [00:20:46] Speaker B: Yes, it feels more honest. [00:20:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I totally agree where like Ray of Light, which I did enjoy Ray. [00:20:54] Speaker B: Of Light and actually I did too. If you recall, listeners go back to Ray Light episode, much contested album, but at the end of the day, I kind of did say four of these tunes are awesome. There's no denying. But I just like, I don't think I care for Madonna that much as an artist, essentially. But Cher, I have respect for her. She's clearly an icon and this is her just using those tools and doing a similar thing and making an album about Boomer divorce or widowing seems to be. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah, there's certainly a lot of empowering songs on here which you want to hear. But yeah, I kind of had the same experience. I can remember watching this music video and if you're not familiar, Cher has like glow sticks in her hair and she might be at the club that throwdy Blind is at in the jumper music video. She might be at the club that Lenny Kravitz is at in the Fly music video. I'm not sure. I just remember, I remember watching this music video over and over again on VH One and I talked about my love about VH One. It's just my greatest hits episode. Yeah, because VH one played the whole music video and it wasn't like, wasn't like TRL where they would play like 15 seconds then get back to Carson daily, which I also love. But I watched this video recently with the wife and I was like, hey, check this out. Check this out. This guy, he's blowing this girl off. Check this out. See, I told you they weren't going to get back together and I was thinking I was going to super impress her and she was supportive, but I don't think it really landed for my play by play knowledge of the Share video. 25 year old Share Videos I watched. [00:22:59] Speaker B: That video and I watched the strong enough video. I watched the strong enough video and it seems like a similar thing. But the strong enough video was hilarious in where a boy, assumingly 22 year old boy is trying to load up a screen saver and then Lightning strikes his apartment and then Cher comes out of his computer and seems to be projected all over the world and saying how strong she is and everyone's way into it. Also, a couple seems to break up and then get back together or something like that. A lot of young kids with very hip haircuts and Cher is scoring the entire thing. KiDs that probably don't know who Cher is. Jake, tell us who Cher is. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Cher is a legend in every sense of the word. Found fame. [00:23:55] Speaker B: Oh, shoot. [00:23:57] Speaker A: As one half of Sonny and Cher, which were a musician TV show, they were musicians and had their own TV show. They were also married as well. [00:24:15] Speaker B: They were wed. [00:24:16] Speaker A: They were awesome. Yeah. And Cher, it's hard to describe Cher. She's an icon. Some of her bigger songs are probably turnback time. One of my faves, she's got one that I didn't even realize it was Cher. It's called gypsies, tramps, and thieves. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Love that tune. [00:24:42] Speaker A: Oh, it's killer. You don't realize it's like a folk song. [00:24:46] Speaker B: She's like one of these icons that was famous for being famous before famous was a thing. Song, dance personality. [00:24:56] Speaker A: That's perfect way to put it. [00:24:57] Speaker B: Co hosted a show, was able to sing, perhaps dance, but just like, people are just like, that's the person we want to see every night. And then she was like, just this person. I think she can act too. Oh, my God. [00:25:11] Speaker A: She's an Oscar winner. She won for Moonstruck. Moonstruck is with Nicolas Cage. She totally won an Oscar for that. [00:25:19] Speaker B: So just like a four quadrant eGOT kind of status icon. [00:25:26] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:25:27] Speaker B: When I think. Try to think like Barbra Streisand, Whoopi Goldberg, that kind of shit. [00:25:32] Speaker A: Diva. Diva can have a negative connotation, but not. Remember those? Talk about VH One, the Divas Live concerts? [00:25:44] Speaker B: Maybe a little bit. [00:25:45] Speaker A: Do you remember those? [00:25:46] Speaker B: Maybe a little bit. [00:25:48] Speaker A: I loved it. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Okay. [00:25:50] Speaker A: But, yeah. Known for her elaborate costumes. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:57] Speaker A: I talked about the glow sticks in her hair for this music video. I don't know. I've always had a lot of respect for Sharon. She has a really unique, very. For lack of better words, she's kind of like a very. She will stand up for what she believes in, and I admire that for sure. [00:26:20] Speaker B: She doesn't need any man to define her. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:26:23] Speaker B: There's some great interviews that you can see it, you can catch of her. Men are like, dessert. I love dessert, but I don't need it necessarily. Kind of like part of the meal. My life is the meal, and dessert's great, but I don't need it. Know, this is my early, like, feminism stuff, and I dig her attitude. She's a lot of fun. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you ever see that one where she burned David Letterman? Because David Letterman was being, like, a turd. [00:26:49] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sure he was. Yeah. [00:26:51] Speaker A: She, like, called him an asshole or something like that on the so and this is taken from ultimateclassicrock.com. The conversation continued to be awkward yet cordial, until Letterman addressed the elephant in the room and asked the singer why she turned his show down for so many years. Being sheriff, she just came out and said, I thought I would never want to do this show with you. The star began, only to immediately be interrupted by Letterman. Why? Because you thought I was the host? Asked an asshole, Cher responded. The audience clapped first, gasping, and then started clapping. [00:27:29] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah, good for her. [00:27:31] Speaker A: That's from. Courtney E. Smith was the author for that. That's when Cher called David Lettimeman an asshole on national TV. She's an icon. You don't mess with Cher. And this album is full of songs that are about empowerment, picking yourself up straight up. The music for. Did you notice the music for strong enough is just the music for last dance. [00:27:57] Speaker B: Last dance. What? [00:27:59] Speaker A: Donna Summer. [00:28:00] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Yeah, well, there's a lot of Donna Summer in here. I was like, which song is this? That lifting or what? Yeah, okay. Donna Summer, though. [00:28:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Even like the. [00:28:14] Speaker B: I heard a lot of ABBA. I heard a lot of female led disco stuff in here. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Yeah. There was also some really stuff kind of like, similar to what we listened to on Europop a couple episodes ago. Runaway was a standout for me, very clubby, and also had some intense using of the auto tuned vocals. Elliot, let's talk about why believe matters in terms of auto tune. When you first heard believe, the lead single and you heard that vocal effect Cher do that Cher had on her voice, what did you think? Do you remember? [00:29:07] Speaker B: I thought it was interesting, but I'm like, is this Peter Frampton technology? Is this, like, the thing in your mouth? Whatever. What Did Frampton use? You must know. Talk box. The talk box? Is this. Talk box? Is this. Oh, no, it's just like a little filter or whatever. Like moving the octaves like steps instead of soaring through them or up them and pitching keys, you're stepping it up instead of going up and down. So it just creates this wild effect. It was all right. I was like, this is a neat thing. It's OD for someone that's known as quite the vocalist to use a tool like this. Right. Because don't you want to kind of hear Cher's raw vocals? Yeah, but it works for that number. That number. How old am I? That tune? And it was clearly a big old hit, and it's fun to listen to and write on. So it went in one ear and out the other, and I was like, maybe I won't listen to this much more. And it was just everywhere. And people figured out ways to. How to use it, where they will sing into it. They will sing into a deadpan and then adjust their notes afterwards. Everyone's really been working on this thing for quite some time. Two chain Kanye and all that stuff have been doing this for a long time. [00:30:39] Speaker A: I would say who takes it to the extreme is T pain. [00:30:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:47] Speaker A: Which is really interesting because he has a really beautiful voice as well. [00:30:51] Speaker B: Did I say two chains instead of T pain? I did. Okay. I meant Tpain. [00:30:55] Speaker A: All right. I would say it's akin to having a really nice guitar tone and then putting all a bunch of types of effects on it and modulating it and distorting it. And I remember first hearing this back in 98 and being like, whoa. How did she sing like that? [00:31:20] Speaker B: Sure. [00:31:20] Speaker A: And not realizing it was like a wizard. [00:31:25] Speaker B: Drew. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And I remember my cousins talking about it. They're like, oh, yeah. The way she sings like that is she opens her mouth in a certain way and hits her throat or something like that and be like, oh, wow. [00:31:38] Speaker B: They thought there was an organic way to do it. [00:31:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:41] Speaker B: Wow. Interesting. So it was, like, mysterious. [00:31:44] Speaker A: Yeah, it was very mysterious. [00:31:46] Speaker B: Wow, cool. I think TP might be, like, the edge of vocoder technology as a guitar tech to vocal tech. I wouldn't mind having that conversation or comparison because that guy really pushed it and did some really cool shit with it. [00:32:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Did you have any other standout tracks? [00:32:12] Speaker B: A lot of know, strong enough. Sounded like I will survive. Like Gloria Gaynor. Right? [00:32:19] Speaker A: We've got a history with Gloria Gaynor's. [00:32:22] Speaker B: We actually performed Gloria Gaynor's I Will Survive before in a band together. And maybe that's like. And I'm getting old, but I hear the age in it. I've been through so much, and I've gone through so much, and I've been here so long. How do I restart? And it feels like a rebirth of a woman of a certain age. I'm not trying to say in any gross way or anything, but it's cool. So she enlists a bunch of cool New York producers that live in New York house like Todd Terry and Junior Vasquez. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Are those names you recognize in your. [00:33:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:05] Speaker A: Let me ask you this. What does Cher and Enrique Iglesias have in common? [00:33:14] Speaker B: My mom's divorce. [00:33:20] Speaker A: Welcome. Elaborate. [00:33:23] Speaker B: They shared a producer on this album. Yeah. My mom got divorced, and she became a big Enrique fan and I believe love this share album as well and became her power tunes. When she was out there in the world and all that. And they shared. What was it? [00:33:38] Speaker A: Taylor, he's the songwriter. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Mark Taylor. [00:33:43] Speaker A: Paul Berry. Yeah. [00:33:44] Speaker B: All right. Yeah, okay. [00:33:46] Speaker A: Of course, he wrote Hero and Bilamos. [00:33:49] Speaker B: He seems to know how to record a guitar. So I wonder if he put those in because it does really do it out a lot. Otherwise this will be a dance tune instead of like a crossover hit. Yeah. Apparently it was hard to get this one put out because people are like, we love the weird vocal thing that she's doing on the chorus, but we don't like those verses. Like, what are you talking about? [00:34:07] Speaker A: Yeah, it was kind of a slow burn. It didn't reach the top of the chart until like, spring. [00:34:12] Speaker B: And also, this is her 22nd album. [00:34:15] Speaker A: Dude, that's crazy. [00:34:18] Speaker B: That's monumental. That's insane. I didn't know she had so much stuff out there. [00:34:23] Speaker A: The Sonny and Cher, they were doing their thing in like the mid sixty S. So at this point, this is her 33rd year, 30 plus year in the business, which is just amazing. I'm like six years at my job and I'm like, oh, God. [00:34:44] Speaker B: And to be able to getting told for this shit. Yeah, she looks amazing. Like, oh, my God. She looks right. [00:34:55] Speaker A: I always enjoy share, for sure. The other one I want to touch on was taxi. Taxi. That's the Todd Terry one. [00:35:03] Speaker B: That's Tod Terry. He's a New York house guy. He's been on my list for the entire my. [00:35:11] Speaker A: I think even more so than believe Taxi Taxi is my favorite. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Really? [00:35:17] Speaker A: On the opposite. I love that song. [00:35:20] Speaker B: I should have given up more listens. Okay. I thought it was all right. [00:35:23] Speaker A: It's got this great chorus. I love a good chorus. And it's like a lot of that Euro dance, Euro pop stuff that we heard a lot with Eiffel a couple weeks ago, which only came out a year after this. So I think this album and, like, Eiffel, they're just like time capsules. They sound like the late ninety S. Yeah. [00:35:55] Speaker B: A lot of the drum loops sound like stuff off of homework. I was like, wait, is that the same beat off of homework? And no, homework is all off 808 that are doing it. Okay. But they're doing, like, loops. They're using loops and stuff like that. That sound like that. And a lot of guys use in that era. There's some jams on here, man. But I heard that funk stuff and then, like, the auto tune stuff. That's all right. This is a good vocal first album, right? We're meant to hear how good? They're picking up her voice and not necessarily the drum loops in the background, but they're there and they sound great, but they're all complimenting Cher and what she's doing. So I appreciate that a lot. Do you like this more than Ray of Light? [00:36:48] Speaker A: I would probably return to this one more than before. Ray of Light. That being said, I like this one as an album. I think Ray of Light has those singles, that title track, frozen and what's the one that's like sky, sky meets heaven or something like that. [00:37:09] Speaker B: There's more stuff going on in real life. I think there's more different ideas, at least, like moods. This one's just like, you can do it, girl. For Ted's song, which is great, but where's her crooning, like, sad song? It's also dedicated to Sonny. [00:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah, he sadly died that year in a skiing accident. [00:37:38] Speaker B: Boy. [00:37:42] Speaker A: Yeah. It was fun to listen to this one. I own it on vinyl. [00:37:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Did you bring it out? [00:37:48] Speaker A: The vinyl? [00:37:48] Speaker B: Can I see it? I have it. [00:37:51] Speaker A: It's on my stand. I should have grabbed it. [00:37:53] Speaker B: It's in the basement. [00:37:55] Speaker A: I swear I have it. [00:37:57] Speaker B: No, I know you have it. [00:37:59] Speaker A: The COVID is kind of like a mirror. It's like silver, but it's very reflective. And so I was going to take a picture of it, but I caught my face at like nine in the morning and I still had deadhead. [00:38:12] Speaker B: And I was like, oh, you should have taken a picture and sent it to the Instagram. [00:38:18] Speaker A: It kind of looks like I'm standing next to Cher in the picture, which is kind of funny. But, yeah, I have great memories. Listen to believe. If you're ever at a party or in the car and you want an instant sing along, road trip and everyone's grumpy, put on Believe. It's one of the great songs of the 90s. It's really a really influential song. With that auto tune, kind of like, kind of introduced producers and artists to using it as not just a pitch correction, but as an instrument in and of itself. Another example that I heard was George Strahit's stars on the water. He's the king of country and he's using auto tune. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Yeah, send me that one. I want to hear that. [00:39:17] Speaker A: It's wild. It's a great song. It's one of my faves. Throw on Believe. Next time you're hanging out, you're at a dance or something request believe. And I can guarantee you you're going to get like an instant feel good. Sing along with your buddies. Many people don't realize what an enormous impact their physical surroundings have on their mental well being. Being surrounded by a home that feels like you and brings beauty and inspiration into your life gives you a feeling of calm and appreciation of the beauty in the world. You fill your home up with furnishings and items one way or another. Why not make them wonderful and a reflection of yourself? Joyce at Joyce Marie Interiors is committed to bringing beauty and elegance into the world one room at a time. Let her help you transform yours, because if you could do it yourself, you would. Visit joycemarieinteriors.com for more information and tell her Jake and Elliot sent you. [00:40:22] Speaker B: In fact, shares Believe became a huge hit and it was everywhere for a hot minute, if you couldn't recall, and even a very popular website considers it number 23 in the best songs of the 1990s. Believe marked a new era for share popular music. Cher's voice warbles with synthetic oscillation Believe became one of Share's biggest career. It's reaching number one in the United States and dozen countries. They later went on to say about another band that we reviewed the same publication. They seem to be operating under the premise that if you hear something enough times, you'll start to believe it. But after more than 15 listens to Discovery's first seagull opening track, one more time, vocoder vocalist romance and he doesn't have me feeling the need, much less waiting, celebrating and dancing. So free. This could just be me. Of course, maybe I just haven't taken enough ecstasy or horse tranquilizers to appreciate the tinny sampled brass ensemble, the too sincere chill out midsection or the fat drum machine beats that throb in time with my headache. 6.4 to daft punks. One more time off of discovery. This publication is called Pitchfork, and they're fucking pieces of shit. They also give a ten to my album this week. Neutral milk hotels in the aeroplane over the sea when you were young, you were the king of Carrot flower and how you built the tower tumbling through the tree in holy rattlesnake fell all around your feet and your mom was. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Sick at four they gave Daft punk a 6.464. [00:42:29] Speaker B: Dude. [00:42:30] Speaker A: Damn. My dream height. [00:42:37] Speaker B: Your dream height? [00:42:38] Speaker A: 64. [00:42:42] Speaker B: Current height of Taylor Swift's boyfriend. [00:42:45] Speaker A: How do you know that? [00:42:49] Speaker B: I don't know. That shit's fucking everywhere. I don't give a shit. [00:42:55] Speaker A: All right, so for the next half hour, you've got the king of carrot Flowers and the two headed boy chatting. Neutral Milk Hotel in the aeroplane over the sea. [00:43:08] Speaker B: ELliot yeah. [00:43:09] Speaker A: What the hell is this album, man? I've never heard anything like this before. [00:43:13] Speaker B: You've never heard it? Okay, so you've never heard this before? [00:43:17] Speaker A: The first time I ever heard of this band was in that episode of Parks and Recreation when April. They're like, seeing if they know their partner. And the question is, like, what's your partner's favorite singer? And Chris Pratt goes, oh, easy, it's me. And Robbie Paulse goes, no, it's Jeff Nyna from Neutral Tell. And that was. I was like, what? I don't get it. But that's the first time. [00:43:43] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a really great episode. I almost wanted to, because I know you knew that one, and I almost want to do, like, a dating game three questions thing with you tonight, which would have been really funny as a segment neutral. Milk Hotel. There's like two albums of this man named Jeff Mangum, who is shrouded in mystery, but also, I have to look into it. He's just a bummed out dude. I found this album in college. I believe many people did, in the aeroplane over the sea. This is like Birth of indie rock, which became a genre into its own self. But it's really not a genre, is it? Because indie doesn't. Independence doesn't mean a musicality, does it? It's like calling indie film a genre, but it's not quite right. It's just these guys made this really wild album, and I found it really spectacular. I guess it got, like, mixed reviews when it came out and then exploded reviews and then found this wild cult following. And it's much discussed and much memed, even in the Hipster music nerd community, which sucks. I mentioned Pitchfork. Pitchfork is now, like, this is like the album they compare everything else to, including Daft Punk Discovery, where they say six four, but believe is number 23 in their top songs of the 90s. But no Notamok Hotel songs above that. And I looked up, did they review the album believe? No, they did not. So great. Great job, guys. With some of these independent and hipster websites, this became like a growing thing, this album, and people became obsessed with it. And then of course, oh, it's overplayed or over praised because as soon as anything becomes liked, that means it's not cool anymore, right? Which is so fucking know. This is why it's fun to enjoy believe by share. Just fucking settle down. This one is a weird album. I have a lot of memories about it. I remember I was DJing in Grand Bets, Michigan. I was opening up for the Great Terrence Parker. And I was playing a drum bass set. And I just in the middle of it drops Holland in 1945, which is the 21234. It's an insane fuz because they made the album that way not to destroy anyone's eardrums, but just to have that fuzz. And a friend of mine who was in the crowd ran up to me that said, elliot, turn it down. Turn it down. You're blowing the speakers out. I'm like, no, that's what it sounds like. I remember listening to Ghost a lot in college with my buddy Matt. We would drive around town and he would just pound the steering wheel with that great four four pick. Just like banging this steering wheel. I think it's a Wild ass album. This guy, Jeff Mining. I found a place in the elf and six musical collective, I think, out of Athens, Georgia. A lot of bands out of there of Montreal. I'm curious who your indie guys are, Jake. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Well, you mentioned Athens. Probably the greatest indie band of them all, REm and so are the B 52s. Interesting. [00:47:28] Speaker B: Oh, that makes sense in a weird way. The twang. All right. The guy who did the album art for this album, which has an OD postcard, little situation going on, and texture. Not a lick of the name of the band or the album on it, also did the album cover for New adventures in hi Fi. Yeah, previous episode. Apparently, he lived down the street from Mangum. [00:48:01] Speaker A: Wow. [00:48:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So this weird, wild Ass collective of musicians in Georgia doing really new shit, and it's about to blow up. And then this guy puts this album out. It's about some really weird shit. Jake, what'd you think? [00:48:23] Speaker A: I loved it. Every song was so catchy. As the designated rock guy for the show, I'll be the first. Admit a lot of albums have a lull. Maybe the artist doing something, trying something new out, that's maybe not quite landing. More times than not, that's just what happens. Which is fine, but this album was just like banger after Banger. I was trying to see if it was like a concept album, if it was like telling the story about something. I couldn't find anything about that. Or I was trying to listen to the lyrics and the lyrics are quite OD on some songs, but yeah. Is this a concept album or is it just because I feel like all the songs flow? I can imagine you really connected this album because the sequencing is off the chain. I know you're a sequence guy. [00:49:25] Speaker B: All the tracks overlap each other. Every track fades into the next one. Even if it's like something starts immediately, and it seems like it feels like one take, which is an amazing listening experience. People have tried to figure out, is it the concept album? For a while. There's a lot of theories. People are trying to interpret the lyrics for a long time. What we know is this. [00:49:54] Speaker A: Are you one of these fans? [00:49:57] Speaker B: No, I'm not. I just enjoy the album and I. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Are you two headed Boy in 1923 on Reddit? [00:50:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that's my Reddit name. We know that Jeff Mangham read the diary of Anne Frank. [00:50:09] Speaker A: Okay. I saw that online on the Wikipedia. [00:50:12] Speaker B: And he said he was shattered by it, like wept for three days. And then he said he wrote this album about it, seemingly. [00:50:21] Speaker A: Wow. [00:50:21] Speaker B: And people theorize that this is like as if he had a musical time machine to save her. There's a lot of imagery. He's just like, jumping around during these songs, like screaming, this weird imagery of sexual awakening, abusive fathers, depression and fear. But it seems to be caked in youth. And also the musicality is like this softness and then explosions of noise, which sounds like. It sound like bombs going off. Right. So people think it might be a love letter to Anne Frank. [00:50:58] Speaker A: We don't know for sure, just from the Anne Frank connection. And Holland 1945, I thought it was like something maybe, and even like the aeroplane over the sea. I was thinking it was like. Is the right word, like a metaphor or an allegory, one of those two for like World War II story that takes place during World War II? [00:51:25] Speaker B: Yeah, perhaps. [00:51:32] Speaker A: Where believe is, you mentioned it was very vocal forward. I feel like aeroplane. Maybe it was just, you know, maybe it's just me, but I feel like the vocals are oftentimes buried in this fuz and this instrumentation on a lot of parts of the album. What did you think? [00:51:51] Speaker B: Yeah, on airplane, they didn't use any Fuz pedals. They just plugged into the table and cranked their shit to eleven and then compress everything where it is just like a tape fuzz. There's an F under everything, and then until it just stops and you just hear Jeff and his guitar playing and strumming, even that's quite loud and compressed. There's no distance to it. We don't really know how big this room is that they're playing in. As we talk about often it's just this wildly produced kind of tape quality underground. It feels like a secret. It feels like an uncovered album that we weren't supposed to find. And within are the secrets to everything. It's really wild because no one can quite figure out what he's talking about. There's a lot of really wild lyrics. I love you, Jesus Christ. Steven stains the Mountaintops. He has his wild vocals, and in his poetry, it's just bizarro Town, but it's amazing. And you kind of get at least a vibe. You feel somewhere, but you're not sure where. And I think that's kind of the allure of this one. I think it's great. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Absolutely. I love the way the acoustic guitar was recorded. Looks like the producer was a guy named. Or is a guy named. Shoot, I just had it. Robert Schneider. Rob Schneider. [00:53:31] Speaker B: Boom. There you go. Rob Schneider. How about that? [00:53:34] Speaker A: So talented guy. [00:53:38] Speaker B: Rob Schneider is the producer of it. [00:53:44] Speaker A: I would love a. I'm really big on listening to things and hearing and trying to hear. Okay, what did this influence? What influenced this? So in this. Are you familiar with Daniel Johnston? [00:54:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:04] Speaker A: Heard a lot of him. A lot of that acoustic, abstract imagery in the lyrics. Very sure. For sure. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Even. I hate it. I hate the term, but outsider art kind of. [00:54:21] Speaker A: I can see that bedroom pop. [00:54:24] Speaker B: This is not you, too. It's not like everything's going to be okay. He walked out in the street. This is like something crazy is going on in this guy's head, and he's writing words about it, and we don't really know what it means. [00:54:37] Speaker A: I could hear. I imagine they're probably contemporaries, but Conor burst from bright eyes. [00:54:44] Speaker B: Very much influenced. Yeah. [00:54:46] Speaker A: And then everything that came after it. Ellie and I are both big fans of the Decemberists and Colin Malloy. Man, this sounds. You can hear the December literally in every single song on this album. And I loved it. Huge December fan. [00:55:08] Speaker B: But I think while the Decemberists are tight as a drum, this stuff is loose and it drops tempo, and they're like, fuck it. And then some recordings at the top and moved on. And it's very. As much like, oh, also, we want it to sound as dirty as possible. We want to stomp on our records and rerecord them like Porta said or whatever. We want some dirt on this. We want it to be a tape. They must have wanted to be a tape because they were exchanging tapes all the time. Mangum and his fellow producers and musicians, they wanted something analog and real, and he was tapping into some weird part of himself to write this stuff. And the horns, the horns, they're blasting horns through these microphones as well. And the horns barely make it out of the production alive because distorted horns will break an eardrum or shatter your headphones. But it sounds like most of the horn section stuff sounds like a marching band having a really bad time or a really difficult time. The horns sound sad. They're trudging. And then in the back of the album, one should know it is a horn section on stilt with a man that's tiny leading them. There's something going on here. We haven't figured it out yet. It's so interesting and wild and cool. I fucking look. [00:56:45] Speaker A: It's a quick listen. 39 minutes. The longest song is that Okumbly. Let me see. [00:56:54] Speaker B: It might be. Which is a devastating to him. [00:56:57] Speaker A: Eight minutes, 818, which. The rest of the songs are average, three minutes. I mean, the opening track is two minutes. I guess it kind of is one song if you listen to it like that. But, yeah, I was listening to it and I was like, this song is going on. And I looked and, yeah, sure enough, it was eight minutes. And thought it was really interesting how they went from these short bursts to this epic. [00:57:31] Speaker B: The whole album feels like a piece. And I love that it's an album. It's not like a singles kind of album. You know, that they're not like which. What's the single? It's like. It feels like some of these shorter tracks probably went on for longer. And he's like, no, look at the idea. Next one. Let's kick. Let's. Let's. Let's get this thing below 45. And these quiet moments of deep sadness and then explosions of noise and excitement are so effective to me. And this guy was known, like, they toured after this album for a bit, got pretty well known, and some of the shows were pretty intense. And Jeff and company were known for a pretty intense show, meaning he would have a lot of people on stage because there's a lot of musicality going on. Well, I need someone to play the saw for this one. And then he was like, just grab someone and throw them into the drums, like really intense shit and just keep it going. Very kind of punk rock, actually. Doesn't matter if the drums are splayed across the stage. He'll pick up the sticks and start playing on something. It'll be fine. And then after this tour and after the mediocre criticism of the album and then especially the cult explosion of it, he said, no, thanks, and went away. That was kind of that. I think he played another show, reunited with a band, and that was the show to see. And then I think it was a few years ago, people were losing their shit about it, a lot of theorizing, and then nothing. He's just gone. So we don't. He's like the. I heard people saying, like, oh, he's like the Sid Barrett of indie rock. He's the JD Salinger of Indie rock. [00:59:27] Speaker A: He's Bobby Fisher of indie rock. [00:59:31] Speaker B: Where is he? I don't know. I don't know. Showed up, made a masterpiece, according to a few, set the standard, and left the genre, if you want to call it that, which I still don't think it's a genre. And he's just gone. It's mysterious. [00:59:51] Speaker A: So he's not active, like, on social media or anything? I can't imagine. [00:59:55] Speaker B: Not that I know. [00:59:58] Speaker A: He's just, like, an influencer now. [01:00:01] Speaker B: Hi. I love this new dating. So it's so. [01:00:08] Speaker A: Also, I heard a lot of Scott Pilgrim, the music made by Sex Bubb. [01:00:15] Speaker B: Oh, with the fuzz guitar. [01:00:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I was like, this reminds me of the music from Scott Pilgrim. [01:00:20] Speaker B: We are sex Bubb 1234. It sounds like it's made in a dirty ass basement. Yeah. [01:00:29] Speaker A: This was awesome. I know you have the vinyl. I saw the vinyl once at Waterloo Records. I saw it and we touched on it. But this is probably one of the more iconic album artworks that we've seen on the show and anyone's ever seen. It's instantly recognizable for its weirdness. [01:00:58] Speaker B: It's weird. [01:00:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very weird. It's based off a postcard. [01:01:05] Speaker B: And the band's name isn't on it, so you wouldn't know what it is to pick it up. It's like a secret. It's a secret. You have to know what it is before you purchase it from the record store. Isn't that weird? It's not even on the spine, dude. The name isn't even on the spine. [01:01:18] Speaker A: And I didn't know. I just saw it. And I know I've seen this before on lists, and I didn't. And after hearing it today, I'm like, man, I just wish I would have picked it up because this would be a cool one, though. On vinyl, for sure. [01:01:35] Speaker B: Good. Closing thoughts on Nuja Milk, hotels in an airplane over the sea, which is. [01:01:41] Speaker A: I'm glad I finally got to listen to this album. [01:01:44] Speaker B: It's been on your radar a little bit. [01:01:46] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. I love 90s rock, and I love stuff that you hear on the radio, but there's so much good music that wasn't on Mix 96.1 growing up that I wasn't exposed to. This is one of those albums, and they're a band name that I've heard for years. And honestly, I thought that they had more material. They have, like, two albums, and so reading about them and reading about the cult following this album has was really interesting. And I realized there's a lot more to it than just, like, really cool album artwork. [01:02:28] Speaker B: Yeah. So I got into it in college, and I really like the opening track, king of Carrot Flowers, part one. And I put it on this mix CD I made that accompanied a graphic novel that I wrote called the Adventures of Margaret Espresso Boy. And I sent Jake a link earlier in the day, and I said, hey, at three minutes 30, I play King of Carrot Flowers over Snoop Dogg and Pharrell drop it like a tots for him to hear it. So he knew, like, oh, I've been into this and check out this remix that I made. 2 hours later, I get a text from my friend Jody who I haven't heard from in maybe 17 years, and she goes, hey, how are you doing? And I go, wow, I'm doing all right. How are you? She's like, look what I just found while I was cleaning up. It was the graphic novel Margot Espresso boy that I made. Wow. I'm like, that's nuts that you just texted me and sent me that picture. I'm talking about that album by Neutral Moch Hotel tonight. We talked for a little bit. I'm like, any thoughts on that album? I said, any thoughts on believe by Cher? She goes, not really. He's a real, like, give me that Queensland of the Stone Age, like, hard rock stuff. And she's like, any quick thoughts on in an aeroplane? And she goes, I love you. Jesus Christ. He texts me this in multiple caps and short. I'm like, excellent. That's my thought. How weird is that, that she hit me up? [01:04:18] Speaker A: That's insane. [01:04:19] Speaker B: I listened to this album with her a great deal. I think this album has something going on with it and it summons people. Really weird. [01:04:29] Speaker A: This is awesome. I feel, like, musically smarter now. [01:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, cool. [01:04:36] Speaker A: I can add this to things that I've listened to. Like I said, it's been a big blind spot for me, so this was great. I can't wait to return to it. [01:04:47] Speaker B: Cool. You will, though. [01:04:49] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. [01:04:50] Speaker B: If you see that album out in the wild, are you going to grab it? [01:04:53] Speaker A: I won't hesitate. This is like when I saw Vegas out And that day we were shooting our engagement photos in the record store and I saw Vegas in the used bin. [01:05:18] Speaker B: Did you find Vegas in the wild? I thought you ordered that. [01:05:21] Speaker A: No, I found in the wild. [01:05:23] Speaker B: Are you serious? Where? [01:05:25] Speaker A: End of a year and we finished. [01:05:28] Speaker B: I've never found that in the wild. I've ever seen it in the wild. That's amazing. [01:05:34] Speaker A: It's one of my prized possessions. I remember being like, we finished for the day. And I was like, hey, can we go back and see if that Crystal method album is still there? And because my wife is the kindest person ever, it was just like, okay, let's go check it out. [01:05:49] Speaker B: Bless your heart. What'd you get it for? [01:05:51] Speaker A: Reasonable, I think. 30. It was a repress. But one of my biggest regrets, though, is I didn't pick up that. I found a copy of Dig your own hole digger. [01:06:10] Speaker B: Own hole? Yeah. [01:06:13] Speaker A: I think that 1 may have been an original, but it was my budget. [01:06:19] Speaker B: Next time you see something like that, let me Venmo you, and we'll sort it out. You know what I'm saying? [01:06:26] Speaker A: I'll keep an eye out. [01:06:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Hey, we're a team, Brah. [01:06:29] Speaker A: This is true. So for next time, let's gather around the. [01:06:40] Speaker B: Oh, wait. I feel a chill in the air. [01:06:43] Speaker A: All right. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Jacob's scared. Hold me. Hold me. [01:06:47] Speaker A: It's spooky season. We still have the keys to Stefani Manor, but we're stepping out. We're going to the lake. [01:06:59] Speaker B: The lake. [01:07:00] Speaker A: We're going to Eve Six Lake, and we're going there to tell some ghost stories and talk about some spooky albums. Some albums that maybe aren't, like, full blown, like Rob Zombie, but something more along the lines of, like, that, you know, that inspire a sense of eeriness. [01:07:31] Speaker B: To really get our imaginations in the dark going. Jake. [01:07:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So in the spirit of Halloween, let's put our masks on, and let's put our orange jumpsuit on with our number one and number two on there, and let's take a trip to Iowa and talk about an album that came out in 1999 by a not little band called Slipknot. [01:08:08] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [01:08:09] Speaker A: We're doing Slipknot's self titled oh, Boy. [01:08:14] Speaker B: Slipknot 99. [01:08:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:18] Speaker B: Okay. I'm scared, Jake. [01:08:21] Speaker A: Keep an eye out for. Wait and bleed. Wait and bleed. Spit it out. Surfacing. OH, man, there's so many good songs on this album. Sick eyeless. Check out prosthetics. Oh, there's so many good songs. I'm so excited. What's your experience with Slipknot? I'll ask you again when we record, but zero. [01:08:48] Speaker B: Awesome. I know who they are. [01:08:51] Speaker A: They're kind of instantly recognized by Macaj or not. But this album, I cannot wait to talk about Slipknot. [01:09:01] Speaker B: Okay, well, Slipknot you say, I am scared. Well, I guess I should probably have an album, too. And I'll go a little more electronic, but also scary, I think, because I'm not too familiar with this one, but it's a band we should probably talk about, especially if we're talking about ninety s and radio rock and electronica. In 1994, the downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails came out. Let's do that one. Let's talk about Nine Inch Nails. The downward spiral. [01:09:39] Speaker A: These are some big albums we're going to tackle next time. [01:09:42] Speaker B: I know it's a lot of listening. We're going to do it. [01:09:46] Speaker A: You. If you enjoyed Sheriff's believe or just the song believe, that's fine. Be sure to give Cher a listen. We mentioned it multiple times. An icon of not just American pop, just like a pop culture icon who's just all around a talented person. So give Cher some spins next time you're hanging out with some friends, I guarantee it'll be an instant sing along. And if you love Nutri Milk Hotel, I cannot recommend this album if you didn't get to listen to it. I cannot recommend this album more. It was very unique experience to finally check this album off my list. So thank you, Elliot, for. [01:10:32] Speaker B: Oh, of course. If you're in a party where it's losing some energy, drop share. If you're in a party where everyone's sniffing their own asses and drinking wine and talking about the books they own, drop some neutral milk hotel and then you will just earn some weird cultural respect. That's where I would drop this one. [01:10:53] Speaker A: I like that. [01:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah. If you want a sad brunch, go for that. [01:11:00] Speaker A: That's the episode title, sad Brunch. [01:11:03] Speaker B: I love that. Okay. Oh, I didn't write that down. They keep on forgetting these, actually, sad brunch. [01:11:08] Speaker A: That could be, like, our musical collective name. [01:11:12] Speaker B: But I'm so happy to hang out with you. Me, too. I don't feel bummed out at all, man. Happy brunch. [01:11:20] Speaker A: Happy brunch. I love it. All right, so for next time, get your camping bags ready, get your favorite snacks, your flashlights, and join Elliot and I at Lake Eve six as we discuss two of. Two, admittedly, right off the bat, very intense albums. [01:11:44] Speaker B: But yeah, it's going to be a wild listen. [01:11:48] Speaker A: It's going to be great. I cannot wait to dive into this one. If you're just now finding Sift memos, this is big Passion project for Elliot and I. We've been doing it past going on four years now, and every listener, every like, every kind word we hear truly means the world to us. So thank you for discovering us. If you're, like, a big share fan and you found us, thank you for giving us a listen and giving us a shot. Same thing for a neutral milk hotel fan. And be sure to like and subscribe. Give us a follow on Instagram Sith Mimospod. [01:12:30] Speaker B: If you're a Pitchfork media reporter, come at me, bro, because that would even get us more attention. If I got in a fight with Pitchfork. I would love that. Just let some happiness into your heart. You assist 64 for Discovery. Come on, man. [01:12:51] Speaker A: I can see giving 64. If maybe they're reviewing that rerelease album they're going to do with no drums. Have you heard about this? [01:12:59] Speaker B: That's random access memories, though. [01:13:01] Speaker A: Okay, never mind. [01:13:02] Speaker B: It's like another version of Random Access. They're just realizing that, oh, wait, we need to make another album, and then we'll get the reunion tour, and then everything will be all right. They'll play in that sphere in Vegas that's clearly designed for DaP. We didn't talk about that, but I really wanted to. I didn't think. I can't believe it didn't come up, actually, until now. [01:13:26] Speaker A: Just real quick. I've never seen anything like it before. It's amazing. [01:13:31] Speaker B: It looks crazy. I think I would get dizzy and fall over and fall to my desk off the mezanine. I truly think I would get, like, no, you two. Pun intended. [01:13:45] Speaker A: What a way to go, though. [01:13:47] Speaker B: He's, like, kind of died during the YouTube concert. Great. That's my legacy. [01:13:52] Speaker A: I saw the you talking you two to me guys were there for the opening. [01:13:56] Speaker B: They've just released an episode about it. [01:13:58] Speaker A: Oh, I've been loving their Springsheet stuff. I got to go listen to it. Oh, cool. [01:14:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it's right there. [01:14:06] Speaker A: It looks insane. I want to go to a show there so badly. [01:14:11] Speaker B: It looks insane. Hey, let's start saving up. And once one of our guys shows up there, we're going, yeah, absolutely. Because you're a Vegas boy. You can show me around. You can show me Vegas. All right, cool. Oh, my God. Let's do it. Do it. Once Daft Punk gets back together, as they will, that's the show. And then daft in the sphere, dude, I would lose my shit. The cheaper seats are even better because you're up higher and you see the whole. It's wild. You don't want the down stuff because you get blocked. You want the middle craziness because apparently it's like, dizzying and overwhelming. You're going to get sick or fall over because the human mind hasn't seen this shit before. It looks crazy. [01:15:01] Speaker A: And what a band to debut. No other band could do it besides you two. [01:15:05] Speaker B: Of course it's you two. [01:15:06] Speaker A: Yeah. That's so cool. Did they do the album we talked about? Was it Octune Baby? [01:15:17] Speaker B: Yeah, they did the whole thing, man. [01:15:19] Speaker A: I love it. [01:15:20] Speaker B: Yep. [01:15:21] Speaker A: Okay. [01:15:22] Speaker B: They listened to our show. They're like, let's do that one. [01:15:24] Speaker A: Let's do that one. [01:15:27] Speaker B: Jake and I like it. [01:15:28] Speaker A: This one's for Jake and Elliot. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I heard they said that. I heard they said that. [01:15:34] Speaker A: And it's just them on a stage. There's no vacuum. [01:15:38] Speaker B: Like, the stage looks this big in this gigantic, weird dome. Oh, it looks, like, unearthly. It looks wild. [01:15:50] Speaker A: At one point, I guess when the show starts off, it looks like you're, like, in a silo or something. And you look up and it looks. [01:15:55] Speaker B: Like they make it look at it. They make it look like it's concrete, but it's only the projection. It's only like the videos telling you it is. And then they start cracking and breaking away and you realize we're in a different world. They were trying to go for virtual reality without glasses, and it just breaks away. And now you're in fucking space. Apparently, you can go there and see a video or a presentation of it that's directed by Darren Aronofsky, the guy that did Requiem for a dream. [01:16:28] Speaker A: Do I want to see something that Darren Aronovsky made for the sphere? [01:16:32] Speaker B: It's all just people shooting up heroin and dying. It's really upsetting, but it's so big. So you go into the vein as the needle, and you come out. I'm the heroine. No, I'm joking. But it looks insane. He was there to make a montage of clips and then make it look just nuts. We got to go. If we can go, it's got to happen. [01:17:02] Speaker A: I watch so many videos at one point. It's like a big collage, and it's the scene from everything, everywhere, all at once. It's just like crazy. Just like visuals. And I don't know why, but the visuals made me think about that movie with all the psychedelic happenings, and it reminded me of that movie. [01:17:27] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll get there, I think. Can we announce it? The first and most live show is going to be at the Sphere in Las Vegas. [01:17:42] Speaker A: We really wanted to hold off. We're just too excited. [01:17:46] Speaker B: There's a few tickets left. [01:17:47] Speaker A: Well, we'll get to the sphere. But first we'll stop at the lake and share some spooky albums. [01:17:55] Speaker B: Okay, we'll share some spooky albums. [01:17:58] Speaker A: So join us next time while we talk about Nine Inch Nails and Slipknot. And keep an eye out for our presale code for our show with the sphere. [01:18:07] Speaker B: Yes, within this episode, there is a QR code, and you'll get $10 off your $3,000 ticket. Yeah, but you have to decode the inscription. [01:18:20] Speaker A: You have to figure out what the aeroplane. [01:18:25] Speaker B: Yeah, we've made it into one sentence. And if you know the sentence exactly about what the in an airplane overseas is about, when you type it out precisely, you get $10 off your ticket. [01:18:40] Speaker A: All right, dude. [01:18:41] Speaker B: Well, I think we did, too. Dude, do you feel okay? [01:18:45] Speaker A: I feel good. [01:18:46] Speaker B: Feel good. All right. [01:18:49] Speaker A: Well, once again, thank you for listening to this episode of Sipping Memos. Yes, and as always, hey, stay sipping. [01:18:59] Speaker B: Stay sipping.